1 00:00:05,269 --> 00:00:02,929 the views opinions and research 2 00:00:07,249 --> 00:00:05,279 conclusions expressed on this show are 3 00:00:09,110 --> 00:00:07,259 those of the show host and not 4 00:00:12,140 --> 00:00:09,120 necessarily those of the network access 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:12,150 Northwest Community Radio are any of its 6 00:00:17,599 --> 00:00:15,330 associates the author and host is solely 7 00:00:19,099 --> 00:00:17,609 responsible for its content the author 8 00:00:21,109 --> 00:00:19,109 has made every endeavor to be 9 00:00:23,420 --> 00:00:21,119 historically accurate and factually 10 00:00:25,240 --> 00:00:23,430 correct based on the written audio and 11 00:00:27,380 --> 00:00:25,250 video claims of the person in question 12 00:00:29,990 --> 00:00:27,390 the playing of this show does not 13 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:30,000 constitute as an endorsement by Access 14 00:00:36,770 --> 00:00:34,410 Northwest radio hello and welcome to 15 00:00:39,049 --> 00:00:36,780 paranormal mysteries on access Northwest 16 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:39,059 community radio show here in lovely 17 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:42,210 Liverpool as a lot of you will know for 18 00:00:46,549 --> 00:00:43,290 the past three years I've been 19 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:46,559 conducting an investigation into the 20 00:00:50,660 --> 00:00:48,930 very many claims of Larry Warren who 21 00:00:52,970 --> 00:00:50,670 says that he is the whistleblower to the 22 00:00:55,220 --> 00:00:52,980 Rendlesham forest incidents well not 23 00:00:56,900 --> 00:00:55,230 even that is true as it was somebody 24 00:00:58,520 --> 00:00:56,910 called Steve Roberts who first told 25 00:01:00,920 --> 00:00:58,530 Brenda Butler and dot Street about 26 00:01:04,039 --> 00:01:00,930 events that occurred on a US Air Force 27 00:01:06,859 --> 00:01:04,049 Base in Suffolk in 1980 over the 28 00:01:08,090 --> 00:01:06,869 Christmas weekend so if you missed the 29 00:01:10,580 --> 00:01:08,100 last few shows they will be up on 30 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:10,590 YouTube soon but I have spent a lot of 31 00:01:14,990 --> 00:01:12,210 time debunking Warren's Rendlesham 32 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:15,000 account I wanted to go over the RFI 33 00:01:21,109 --> 00:01:17,850 events first to show inconsistencies and 34 00:01:23,780 --> 00:01:21,119 changes in every element of his various 35 00:01:25,730 --> 00:01:23,790 narratives I had to do this because a 36 00:01:27,499 --> 00:01:25,740 few people have asked what as the forged 37 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:27,509 memorabilia sales got to do with 38 00:01:31,819 --> 00:01:30,329 Rendlesham as I have said before it has 39 00:01:34,429 --> 00:01:31,829 nothing to do with Rendlesham but 40 00:01:36,590 --> 00:01:34,439 everything to do with as appears so i've 41 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:36,600 already produced reams of evidence and 42 00:01:41,690 --> 00:01:38,610 problems with his so-called memorabilia 43 00:01:43,700 --> 00:01:41,700 business and Rendlesham claims yet Gary 44 00:01:46,370 --> 00:01:43,710 Heseltine silence essay is all just 45 00:01:48,530 --> 00:01:46,380 opinion far from it but he says it is 46 00:01:51,350 --> 00:01:48,540 all the opinion of one woman who loves 47 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:51,360 Larry Warren and has been spurned well 48 00:01:56,539 --> 00:01:53,729 tonight mr. Hazeltine and company I will 49 00:01:59,080 --> 00:01:56,549 put an end to that ridiculous claim I'd 50 00:02:02,870 --> 00:01:59,090 like to introduce you to Duane Carlton 51 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:02,880 Duane you Larry many years ago and he 52 00:02:08,089 --> 00:02:06,810 met him on the 9th of March in 1993 and 53 00:02:09,889 --> 00:02:08,099 he's going to walk us through his 54 00:02:11,780 --> 00:02:09,899 timeline of events with Larry Warren 55 00:02:14,330 --> 00:02:11,790 which are very interesting and 56 00:02:16,910 --> 00:02:14,340 illuminating and of course has nothing 57 00:02:20,830 --> 00:02:16,920 with me or my opinion welcome to the 58 00:02:23,380 --> 00:02:20,840 show Duane hello thank you for having me 59 00:02:26,479 --> 00:02:23,390 now you wrote to me a little while ago 60 00:02:28,430 --> 00:02:26,489 about quite a few months ago now and 61 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:28,440 that's you used to know 62 00:02:34,699 --> 00:02:30,690 Larry Warren years ago and that you'd 63 00:02:37,580 --> 00:02:34,709 seen Nick Pope's little note that he 64 00:02:38,089 --> 00:02:37,590 wrote about the events called theft at 65 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:38,099 Eastgate 66 00:02:42,550 --> 00:02:40,170 is that right somebody sent that to you 67 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:42,560 and you read it then you read Peters 68 00:02:49,970 --> 00:02:45,330 statement and then you came blogs and 69 00:02:53,330 --> 00:02:49,980 then you came to me actually a friend a 70 00:02:57,530 --> 00:02:53,340 friend of mine who also knew Larry you 71 00:02:59,559 --> 00:02:57,540 know back here in the States had I think 72 00:03:02,509 --> 00:02:59,569 heard one of your podcasts and then 73 00:03:04,670 --> 00:03:02,519 messaged me and said hey you got a you 74 00:03:06,350 --> 00:03:04,680 know there somebody else has kind of 75 00:03:07,850 --> 00:03:06,360 figured out what's going on with Larry 76 00:03:09,740 --> 00:03:07,860 and I thought you'd find this 77 00:03:11,839 --> 00:03:09,750 interesting and he you know and then 78 00:03:15,350 --> 00:03:11,849 from that I started doing a little 79 00:03:17,570 --> 00:03:15,360 poking around and I found the the two 80 00:03:21,979 --> 00:03:17,580 documents that you mentioned and yes 81 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:21,989 then I had my jaw dropped and I was so 82 00:03:28,699 --> 00:03:22,650 thrilled 83 00:03:30,170 --> 00:03:28,709 so you met Larry in 1993 in a bar so set 84 00:03:34,930 --> 00:03:30,180 the scene what was going on in your life 85 00:03:40,340 --> 00:03:34,940 back then back then I was playing in a 86 00:03:44,599 --> 00:03:40,350 blues band I was a die-hard Stevie Ray 87 00:03:47,710 --> 00:03:44,609 Vaughan fanatic big time into Stevie Ray 88 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:47,720 and Jimi Hendrix and even kind of was 89 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:49,290 dressing the part 90 00:03:57,250 --> 00:03:52,290 and definitely trying to emulate the 91 00:04:01,670 --> 00:03:57,260 guitar styles and and I was playing at a 92 00:04:06,349 --> 00:04:01,680 a bar called Marsha B's Roadhouse that 93 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:06,359 was in Rutland Vermont and I was 94 00:04:12,890 --> 00:04:08,850 approached by this guy who introduced 95 00:04:14,780 --> 00:04:12,900 himself as Larry Warren he told me that 96 00:04:16,300 --> 00:04:14,790 he used to work for Stevie Ray Vaughn 97 00:04:18,340 --> 00:04:16,310 and 98 00:04:20,409 --> 00:04:18,350 he you know told me how much he thought 99 00:04:24,129 --> 00:04:20,419 that I played like Stevie Ray Vaughan 100 00:04:26,620 --> 00:04:24,139 and that he had all these connections in 101 00:04:32,850 --> 00:04:26,630 the music business and that he was going 102 00:04:38,650 --> 00:04:36,370 yeah well you know I know you're quite a 103 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:38,660 modest man but so I'll say this for you 104 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:41,090 at that time in rutland you were quite a 105 00:04:46,210 --> 00:04:43,010 big deal I mean you were a really good 106 00:04:48,070 --> 00:04:46,220 musician very popular band and I think 107 00:04:51,550 --> 00:04:48,080 it's fair to say that you were a big 108 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:51,560 fish in that area at that time and so 109 00:04:58,840 --> 00:04:55,010 this is why Warren made a beeline for 110 00:05:02,200 --> 00:04:58,850 you because you were a big deal well I 111 00:05:04,150 --> 00:05:02,210 you know to be fair Rutland's a pretty 112 00:05:06,790 --> 00:05:04,160 you know small town and the grand scheme 113 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:06,800 of things but yeah my band was really 114 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:12,050 popular and you know I I've been a 115 00:05:20,230 --> 00:05:16,450 full-time professional musician for 116 00:05:23,950 --> 00:05:20,240 since before then I was a full-time 117 00:05:29,140 --> 00:05:23,960 musician then so I was playing a lot my 118 00:05:32,250 --> 00:05:29,150 band played a lot and you know so yeah 119 00:05:35,380 --> 00:05:32,260 people around the area knew who I was 120 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:35,390 yeah and you're still playing now so you 121 00:05:43,180 --> 00:05:38,810 are a career musician yeah yeah I play 122 00:05:49,870 --> 00:05:43,190 past year I played close to 300 dates 123 00:05:54,850 --> 00:05:49,880 I play a lot yeah and you think is a nut 124 00:05:58,570 --> 00:05:54,860 sir are they you know I have some issues 125 00:06:03,490 --> 00:05:58,580 with my hands but you know that we'll 126 00:06:05,950 --> 00:06:03,500 get to saw fingers later yeah so so 127 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:05,960 right when you met Larry it basically he 128 00:06:10,150 --> 00:06:07,610 just sort of threw himself at you didn't 129 00:06:12,010 --> 00:06:10,160 he because from the timeline of events 130 00:06:15,190 --> 00:06:12,020 that you've created is a Word document 131 00:06:17,170 --> 00:06:15,200 and sent me it was only a fortnight 132 00:06:21,730 --> 00:06:17,180 before he started to shower you with 133 00:06:25,180 --> 00:06:21,740 gifts yeah yeah actually yeah you're 134 00:06:29,070 --> 00:06:25,190 right it was less than a week within 135 00:06:30,340 --> 00:06:29,080 less than a week yeah he gave me a 136 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:30,350 leather 137 00:06:40,330 --> 00:06:34,490 jacket it was his and it had a little a 138 00:06:45,870 --> 00:06:40,340 little crown shaped pin on it and on the 139 00:06:47,980 --> 00:06:45,880 back was an autograph that said I 140 00:06:52,420 --> 00:06:47,990 probably should double check but I 141 00:06:55,020 --> 00:06:52,430 believe it said to Larry guaranteed 142 00:06:59,050 --> 00:06:55,030 which was a split into three different 143 00:07:03,910 --> 00:06:59,060 parts so it was like GU a you know and 144 00:07:09,130 --> 00:07:03,920 then quotation marks you know yeah I was 145 00:07:12,210 --> 00:07:09,140 GU AR quotation UN quotation P EE D and 146 00:07:19,510 --> 00:07:12,220 then it was you know Stevie Ray Vaughn 147 00:07:22,390 --> 00:07:19,520 and he told me that yes this this is a 148 00:07:24,790 --> 00:07:22,400 jacket that I had that was mine and I 149 00:07:26,590 --> 00:07:24,800 you know have pictures of me wearing it 150 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:26,600 with Stevie Ray Vaughn and Stevie Ray 151 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:29,210 Vaughn signed it and this little crown 152 00:07:35,530 --> 00:07:32,090 pin that's on it is the one that used to 153 00:07:41,230 --> 00:07:35,540 be on Stevie Ray's hat a hat that he 154 00:07:46,420 --> 00:07:41,240 wore before we died within a week this 155 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:46,430 is like six days after I met him Wow and 156 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:50,090 by the way this is all oh it the other 157 00:07:56,050 --> 00:07:54,170 thing it said on it was NYC 1986 so the 158 00:07:58,930 --> 00:07:56,060 you know the story was that you know 159 00:08:01,600 --> 00:07:58,940 Larry had this jacket and there is a 160 00:08:05,530 --> 00:08:01,610 there there is photographic evidence of 161 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:05,540 Larry wearing this jacket but that he 162 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:10,930 got Stevie Ray to sign it in 1986 and 163 00:08:16,030 --> 00:08:13,970 and then like I said you know Klein TV 164 00:08:20,650 --> 00:08:16,040 ray gave him the crown pin off of his 165 00:08:23,020 --> 00:08:20,660 hat and you know all of this is you know 166 00:08:26,430 --> 00:08:23,030 there's actual verifiable proof that 167 00:08:28,830 --> 00:08:26,440 this happened because I used to keep 168 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:28,840 beat books that were kind of like a 169 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:31,490 journal back then I would keep like a 170 00:08:37,690 --> 00:08:33,289 lot of notes about what happened in 171 00:08:40,390 --> 00:08:37,700 shows and things like that so he clearly 172 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:40,400 gave that to me at a gig because I wrote 173 00:08:44,140 --> 00:08:43,130 notes about it in my you know and I 174 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:44,150 still have all those 175 00:08:51,340 --> 00:08:49,010 books from 25 years ago some some little 176 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:51,350 harder things really do actually come 177 00:08:54,550 --> 00:08:53,930 into the round only about colony were 178 00:09:01,000 --> 00:08:54,560 harder 179 00:09:02,860 --> 00:09:01,010 he's just very organized and I'm sir 180 00:09:07,060 --> 00:09:02,870 please about that because this is not my 181 00:09:08,050 --> 00:09:07,070 opinion is it so within within minutes 182 00:09:10,540 --> 00:09:08,060 basically 183 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:10,550 he's thrown himself at you and he's got 184 00:09:15,670 --> 00:09:13,010 right into your head and he's pandering 185 00:09:19,570 --> 00:09:15,680 to the things that you love the most 186 00:09:21,550 --> 00:09:19,580 which is abusing Stevie Ray Vaughn you 187 00:09:23,740 --> 00:09:21,560 know and that's I imagine that he 188 00:09:25,210 --> 00:09:23,750 probably looked pretty much like Stevie 189 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:25,220 when you ever get home because you got 190 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:28,010 the right hair and everything yeah well 191 00:09:31,750 --> 00:09:29,810 you know what like I said I definitely 192 00:09:32,530 --> 00:09:31,760 back then was trying to you know dress 193 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:32,540 the part 194 00:09:38,670 --> 00:09:35,570 yeah so you know and and plus the band 195 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:38,680 that I was playing with we did a lot of 196 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:42,170 Stevie Ray Tunes so it was it was very 197 00:09:48,490 --> 00:09:45,650 obvious you know I mean everybody knew 198 00:09:50,290 --> 00:09:48,500 that I was a Stevie Ray fan so he it 199 00:09:56,290 --> 00:09:50,300 wouldn't have taken much for him to have 200 00:09:59,110 --> 00:09:56,300 picked up on that yeah and so this 201 00:10:01,930 --> 00:09:59,120 jacket that you're talking about we've 202 00:10:04,630 --> 00:10:01,940 all seen the pictures because on my blog 203 00:10:08,710 --> 00:10:04,640 that they have been totally debunked as 204 00:10:11,620 --> 00:10:08,720 forgeries they are they were created 205 00:10:14,650 --> 00:10:11,630 quite early on probably you know early 206 00:10:17,410 --> 00:10:14,660 90s but people are saying the issues 207 00:10:19,780 --> 00:10:17,420 Photoshop etc well I'm not sure I don't 208 00:10:21,580 --> 00:10:19,790 know when Photoshop existed but I know 209 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:21,590 are they took me far the advent of the 210 00:10:26,290 --> 00:10:24,530 internet so I don't know if he's taken 211 00:10:29,350 --> 00:10:26,300 these photographs and he's done the 212 00:10:31,150 --> 00:10:29,360 old-fashioned cutting around photos 213 00:10:33,790 --> 00:10:31,160 piecing it together as a collage and 214 00:10:36,430 --> 00:10:33,800 then taking a photograph of the collage 215 00:10:39,460 --> 00:10:36,440 he often takes photographs through glass 216 00:10:43,330 --> 00:10:39,470 so that kind of blurs they the lines a 217 00:10:46,330 --> 00:10:43,340 little you know and then sometimes you 218 00:10:49,300 --> 00:10:46,340 will see that there's a reflection of 219 00:10:52,660 --> 00:10:49,310 the camera and his hands in on the glass 220 00:10:54,610 --> 00:10:52,670 which further distorts the image but it 221 00:10:56,260 --> 00:10:54,620 still seems like legit oh I'm just 222 00:10:58,060 --> 00:10:56,270 taking the photo of a photo that's in a 223 00:11:01,360 --> 00:10:58,070 frame in my house 224 00:11:03,249 --> 00:11:01,370 you know those are his little tricks he 225 00:11:05,079 --> 00:11:03,259 has all these a different aging 226 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:05,089 techniques and all the rest of it but 227 00:11:10,870 --> 00:11:09,290 we've got him in the jacket in several 228 00:11:17,079 --> 00:11:10,880 of these people and all of the pictures 229 00:11:18,610 --> 00:11:17,089 have got issues with them so you must 230 00:11:22,300 --> 00:11:18,620 have jumped out your skin when you saw 231 00:11:24,069 --> 00:11:22,310 that Wow you know what that which the 232 00:11:26,259 --> 00:11:24,079 the the fake photos for the jacket 233 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:26,269 initially the fake photos like I said 234 00:11:29,710 --> 00:11:28,250 with him wearing the jacket are supposed 235 00:11:31,420 --> 00:11:29,720 to be put some ones together realized 236 00:11:35,620 --> 00:11:31,430 that you were looking at the jacket that 237 00:11:38,499 --> 00:11:35,630 you owned uh well actually I was 238 00:11:40,660 --> 00:11:38,509 thrilled when I saw I think it was on 239 00:11:42,309 --> 00:11:40,670 one of your blog's that it was like well 240 00:11:46,900 --> 00:11:42,319 there it is that's the jacket right 241 00:11:49,329 --> 00:11:46,910 there and because years ago he had told 242 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:49,339 me that he was going to give me at some 243 00:11:56,410 --> 00:11:52,970 point a photograph of him wearing the 244 00:11:58,840 --> 00:11:56,420 jacket with Stevi but I never he never 245 00:12:02,559 --> 00:11:58,850 did give it to me he never did give me 246 00:12:04,990 --> 00:12:02,569 one so I was I was you know but yeah 247 00:12:07,930 --> 00:12:05,000 there's there's you know this photograph 248 00:12:12,129 --> 00:12:07,940 and it proves that it was his jacket and 249 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:12,139 you know yeah for people listening to 250 00:12:16,809 --> 00:12:14,810 this the blog is actually called styles 251 00:12:19,150 --> 00:12:16,819 in his eyes The Adventures of Larry 252 00:12:21,009 --> 00:12:19,160 Warren and the doctored photographs and 253 00:12:22,660 --> 00:12:21,019 it's a little bit long but you know it 254 00:12:24,819 --> 00:12:22,670 was such a miserable time I had to have 255 00:12:27,250 --> 00:12:24,829 some amusement in it because you know it 256 00:12:29,170 --> 00:12:27,260 was really quite a massive betrayal to 257 00:12:30,939 --> 00:12:29,180 find out that a friend of nine years 258 00:12:32,590 --> 00:12:30,949 isn't who he said he was in any way 259 00:12:34,750 --> 00:12:32,600 shape or form in fact he's nothing of 260 00:12:37,660 --> 00:12:34,760 the things that he said he was so it was 261 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:37,670 like you know there was no joy in any of 262 00:12:43,569 --> 00:12:42,050 it but so I had to kind of develop a 263 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:43,579 little bit of humor around it just to 264 00:12:50,230 --> 00:12:46,850 survive the you know the onslaught of 265 00:12:52,829 --> 00:12:50,240 the hatred from him and his friends 266 00:12:56,639 --> 00:12:52,839 which is something that you also 267 00:12:59,379 --> 00:12:56,649 experience because when you eventually 268 00:13:01,300 --> 00:12:59,389 started to realize there were problems 269 00:13:06,220 --> 00:13:01,310 with the things they were saying he 270 00:13:08,230 --> 00:13:06,230 turned on you - yeah I mean I kind of 271 00:13:10,629 --> 00:13:08,240 like to just back up a little bit or 272 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:10,639 kind of go into that which was that you 273 00:13:14,889 --> 00:13:11,930 know right at the 274 00:13:17,610 --> 00:13:14,899 beginning and you know you have to 275 00:13:21,639 --> 00:13:17,620 remember that at the time I was in my 276 00:13:24,850 --> 00:13:21,649 probably it is twice probably you know 277 00:13:27,639 --> 00:13:24,860 early to mid-20s you know so you know 278 00:13:30,070 --> 00:13:27,649 you meet somebody that says oh yeah I 279 00:13:33,670 --> 00:13:30,080 worked with your you know musical hero 280 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:33,680 and I think that you have you know as 281 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:35,930 much talent as him and I'm gonna make 282 00:13:41,170 --> 00:13:37,850 you famous I mean you know when you're 283 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:41,180 in your 20s you you yeah I mean you want 284 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:43,490 to hear that you know you're ecstatic to 285 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:45,410 hear that and you think oh my god this 286 00:13:50,050 --> 00:13:47,690 is this is the person that I've you know 287 00:13:52,090 --> 00:13:50,060 been waiting for to come along and and 288 00:13:56,019 --> 00:13:52,100 you know take me to the next level and 289 00:13:58,570 --> 00:13:56,029 so you know I'd befriended him right off 290 00:14:02,740 --> 00:13:58,580 you know the bat and hung out with him 291 00:14:05,769 --> 00:14:02,750 quite a bit and he stayed at my house a 292 00:14:07,030 --> 00:14:05,779 couple of times and not a couple of 293 00:14:09,130 --> 00:14:07,040 times I shouldn't say that he stayed at 294 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:09,140 my house once for a couple of days I 295 00:14:14,610 --> 00:14:10,730 think actually would be more accurate 296 00:14:18,340 --> 00:14:14,620 yeah and but there was a point where he 297 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:18,350 went out of town allegedly went to 298 00:14:27,090 --> 00:14:22,370 California and I must have written him a 299 00:14:30,100 --> 00:14:27,100 letter because he wrote me a letter and 300 00:14:34,110 --> 00:14:30,110 you know like a six page handwritten 301 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:34,120 dated letter and you know he talks about 302 00:14:42,610 --> 00:14:37,370 you know California and that he's coming 303 00:14:45,340 --> 00:14:42,620 back to Rutland and and this is where 304 00:14:47,890 --> 00:14:45,350 there's there's Providence for the 305 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:47,900 jacket because he makes a point to 306 00:14:52,420 --> 00:14:51,050 mention in the letter that that's where 307 00:14:55,390 --> 00:14:52,430 he states that he's going to get me a 308 00:14:58,540 --> 00:14:55,400 photograph of the jacket that he gave to 309 00:15:00,610 --> 00:14:58,550 me that was sought any states that it 310 00:15:02,819 --> 00:15:00,620 was signed by Stevie Ray and that he's 311 00:15:05,350 --> 00:15:02,829 going to give me this photograph of it 312 00:15:07,690 --> 00:15:05,360 and in the same letter again he's 313 00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:07,700 talking about how great a musician he 314 00:15:12,430 --> 00:15:09,920 thinks I am and all contacts he has 315 00:15:14,980 --> 00:15:12,440 music business he names them off and 316 00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:14,990 different clubs that we you know that he 317 00:15:22,300 --> 00:15:17,510 should take me to go and play and you 318 00:15:24,940 --> 00:15:22,310 know the whole nine yards and so it plus 319 00:15:25,870 --> 00:15:24,950 also again evidence because it's in 320 00:15:29,189 --> 00:15:25,880 Larry so 321 00:15:32,199 --> 00:15:29,199 you know this matter you know and it's 322 00:15:33,999 --> 00:15:32,209 an original document again I saved it 323 00:15:44,069 --> 00:15:34,009 all these years because like you said I 324 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:44,079 probably am a bit of a hoarder you know 325 00:15:50,170 --> 00:15:48,050 but it provides evidence that he gave me 326 00:15:52,870 --> 00:15:50,180 the jacket and he's stating that it was 327 00:15:56,350 --> 00:15:52,880 signed by Stevie Ray Vaughn 328 00:15:58,480 --> 00:15:56,360 and it also goes to a lot of the claims 329 00:16:00,879 --> 00:15:58,490 that he was making about his involvement 330 00:16:04,030 --> 00:16:00,889 with production companies and vomit with 331 00:16:08,439 --> 00:16:04,040 different venues and things like that 332 00:16:10,889 --> 00:16:08,449 and you know and in case you know he 333 00:16:14,829 --> 00:16:10,899 hears this and tries to you know 334 00:16:17,949 --> 00:16:14,839 discredit my musical skills I mean you 335 00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:17,959 know he's clearly pumping the sunshine 336 00:16:23,590 --> 00:16:20,990 to me about how my wife how skilled I I 337 00:16:26,650 --> 00:16:23,600 was back then as a musician and even as 338 00:16:29,379 --> 00:16:26,660 recently as two years ago you know I 339 00:16:32,470 --> 00:16:29,389 have a screenshot of a Facebook post 340 00:16:34,389 --> 00:16:32,480 where he's saying the same thing so you 341 00:16:36,189 --> 00:16:34,399 know if he's gonna try to discredit my 342 00:16:38,050 --> 00:16:36,199 abilities at this point he's gonna have 343 00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:38,060 to explain why you know what happened in 344 00:16:43,780 --> 00:16:39,920 the past two years I didn't Allison I'm 345 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:43,790 not a good musician but excellent you 346 00:16:49,660 --> 00:16:46,930 know so yeah so you know vents so then 347 00:16:51,790 --> 00:16:49,670 like I said I befriended him we we hung 348 00:16:53,499 --> 00:16:51,800 out quite a bit because you know he was 349 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:53,509 essentially going to like manage my 350 00:17:02,620 --> 00:16:58,250 career and this and that and there was a 351 00:17:05,049 --> 00:17:02,630 number of of things where that you know 352 00:17:08,230 --> 00:17:05,059 there were things that happened that you 353 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:08,240 know made him look even more glowing in 354 00:17:15,460 --> 00:17:11,890 particular actually remember we went to 355 00:17:18,220 --> 00:17:15,470 I'm sure everybody knows and in Jerry's 356 00:17:20,199 --> 00:17:18,230 you know ice cream and they were they 357 00:17:22,470 --> 00:17:20,209 they're out of Vermont and they used to 358 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:22,480 hold a concert like a festival every 359 00:17:28,360 --> 00:17:25,970 year for a couple years and they had a 360 00:17:32,110 --> 00:17:28,370 festival one time with Buddy Guy in the 361 00:17:35,500 --> 00:17:32,120 band and Larry and I went to go to this 362 00:17:38,919 --> 00:17:35,510 festival and he managed to talk our way 363 00:17:39,230 --> 00:17:38,929 onto the tour bus with the band's you 364 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:39,240 know 365 00:17:43,990 --> 00:17:41,490 to the festival's band and had backstage 366 00:17:45,230 --> 00:17:44,000 passes and which all makes him look 367 00:17:47,450 --> 00:17:45,240 legit 368 00:17:51,950 --> 00:17:47,460 you know then oh yeah this guy must he 369 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:51,960 must be who he says he is you know so 370 00:17:54,919 --> 00:17:53,250 you know that was one of the things 371 00:17:58,610 --> 00:17:54,929 where I was like wow you know yeah he's 372 00:18:00,890 --> 00:17:58,620 telling the truth well he ended up later 373 00:18:04,100 --> 00:18:00,900 on trying to do the same thing at 374 00:18:08,450 --> 00:18:04,110 another show with a large group of 375 00:18:10,130 --> 00:18:08,460 people and it he got called on it by 376 00:18:12,770 --> 00:18:10,140 security and they took him to the office 377 00:18:16,430 --> 00:18:12,780 this is that Stratton Mountain and in 378 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:16,440 Vermont and you know he told him one 379 00:18:19,220 --> 00:18:17,730 that you know cuz I said well who are 380 00:18:21,020 --> 00:18:19,230 you and why are you bringing all these 381 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:21,030 people backstage and he said long the 382 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:23,010 tour publicist and they said there is no 383 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:26,610 - her publicist so who are you so this 384 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:30,570 whole kind of story fell apart and by 385 00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:33,330 that point I'd already had a number of 386 00:18:39,740 --> 00:18:36,720 other times where he had relayed stories 387 00:18:42,860 --> 00:18:39,750 in my presence to other people stories 388 00:18:45,919 --> 00:18:42,870 that he had initially told me but then 389 00:18:48,260 --> 00:18:45,929 in telling them to other people all of a 390 00:18:50,150 --> 00:18:48,270 sudden they were taken up a notch or two 391 00:18:52,460 --> 00:18:50,160 they were embellished there was more 392 00:18:54,860 --> 00:18:52,470 details and more no details to the story 393 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:54,870 and then he would always try to get me 394 00:19:00,580 --> 00:18:56,970 to corroborate for him they don't say 395 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:00,590 you know say oh right you know and and 396 00:19:04,940 --> 00:19:02,970 I'm not really good with that kind of 397 00:19:06,740 --> 00:19:04,950 stuff so I would kind of say well that's 398 00:19:10,100 --> 00:19:06,750 not the way that's not what you told me 399 00:19:13,940 --> 00:19:10,110 but you know which you know we kind of 400 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:13,950 annoy him but you know when it came down 401 00:19:19,690 --> 00:19:17,250 to this show at Stratton it was clear by 402 00:19:22,580 --> 00:19:19,700 that point I was like oh yeah this guy's 403 00:19:27,380 --> 00:19:22,590 he's lying to people you know and he's 404 00:19:30,020 --> 00:19:27,390 not who he thinks he is and you know at 405 00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:30,030 that point I started to distance myself 406 00:19:36,590 --> 00:19:32,370 away from him maybe because I was you 407 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:36,600 know I I really disliked people that lie 408 00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:41,250 and dishonesty and and so I was like I 409 00:19:45,410 --> 00:19:42,480 don't want to be I don't want to be 410 00:19:48,049 --> 00:19:45,420 connected to this guy when I'm you know 411 00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:48,059 I'm starting to suspect that he's up to 412 00:19:53,499 --> 00:19:50,700 some nefarious activities and then at 413 00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:53,509 the same time he was also 414 00:19:59,419 --> 00:19:57,600 like bringing items around the bars and 415 00:20:01,340 --> 00:19:59,429 saying look this is John Entwistle's 416 00:20:04,009 --> 00:20:01,350 bass or look these are John Lennon's 417 00:20:07,009 --> 00:20:04,019 glasses or this is the army jacket that 418 00:20:10,249 --> 00:20:07,019 John one and you know you know war in 419 00:20:11,810 --> 00:20:10,259 the photograph you know in front of the 420 00:20:13,820 --> 00:20:11,820 Statue of Liberty or whatever you or 421 00:20:16,370 --> 00:20:13,830 that he wore in the Madison Square 422 00:20:19,450 --> 00:20:16,380 Garden concert you know this kind of 423 00:20:21,470 --> 00:20:19,460 stuff and even that was like my 424 00:20:24,529 --> 00:20:21,480 suspicions were aroused because I'm like 425 00:20:26,779 --> 00:20:24,539 if you had something worth that kind of 426 00:20:29,450 --> 00:20:26,789 money you wouldn't take it to a bar and 427 00:20:33,139 --> 00:20:29,460 robbed one and let everybody kind of 428 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:33,149 pause you know and yeah and you know one 429 00:20:39,919 --> 00:20:35,690 of the items he brought around was a 430 00:20:42,499 --> 00:20:39,929 like a 60s Fender Stratocaster that he 431 00:20:45,409 --> 00:20:42,509 said this belonged to Jimi Hendrix and 432 00:20:47,090 --> 00:20:45,419 you know we showed it to me and again 433 00:20:49,789 --> 00:20:47,100 being Hendrix fan I had a book that 434 00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:49,799 listed a lot of the known items owned by 435 00:20:55,129 --> 00:20:52,559 Stevie Ray Vaughn or I'm sorry by Jimi 436 00:20:56,749 --> 00:20:55,139 Hendrix in the back of the book I was no 437 00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:56,759 mention of this serial number in there 438 00:21:01,669 --> 00:21:00,000 just so you know you know and so like 439 00:21:03,490 --> 00:21:01,679 that was all kind of going on at the 440 00:21:05,659 --> 00:21:03,500 same time and it's so it's like I 441 00:21:08,389 --> 00:21:05,669 started piecing together them like I 442 00:21:10,460 --> 00:21:08,399 think he's like doing a lot of like 443 00:21:14,570 --> 00:21:10,470 phony-baloney in regards all this 444 00:21:16,580 --> 00:21:14,580 memorabilia and items and like the John 445 00:21:20,629 --> 00:21:16,590 Entwistle bass it was like super Plain 446 00:21:23,419 --> 00:21:20,639 Jane off the shelf Alembic bass and I'm 447 00:21:26,539 --> 00:21:23,429 like anybody who's ever seen John Lennon 448 00:21:28,940 --> 00:21:26,549 or John Entwistle's basses knows they're 449 00:21:32,090 --> 00:21:28,950 super customized like really fancy 450 00:21:34,909 --> 00:21:32,100 inlays and like no way did he just walk 451 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:34,919 one off the the shelf and use it that 452 00:21:40,190 --> 00:21:38,129 you know there's a way and also he 453 00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,200 wouldn't stick a big brass plaque on it 454 00:21:46,519 --> 00:21:42,480 that said you know owned by John 455 00:21:49,789 --> 00:21:46,529 Entwistle you know so there was a lot of 456 00:21:51,619 --> 00:21:49,799 things to like me you know red flags go 457 00:21:53,299 --> 00:21:51,629 up for me and at that point I started 458 00:21:57,259 --> 00:21:53,309 really trying to distance myself and 459 00:21:59,330 --> 00:21:57,269 Larry mm-hmm yeah he was that I ever 460 00:22:01,850 --> 00:21:59,340 triple cars as well I've not said that 461 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:01,860 in a couple of the entries you've pulled 462 00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:03,809 that it has been an altercation with 463 00:22:06,860 --> 00:22:05,760 somebody called Charlie you ever made a 464 00:22:11,900 --> 00:22:06,870 note that 465 00:22:13,310 --> 00:22:11,910 behaved himself on particular night you 466 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:13,320 know because that's that's another thing 467 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:15,930 about him as well as his he calls it is 468 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:19,130 instinct for aggression in a in a bar 469 00:22:25,130 --> 00:22:23,490 yeah I know that there was an incident I 470 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:25,140 think eventually charges were dropped 471 00:22:30,890 --> 00:22:27,210 but he did yeah he punched somebody in a 472 00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:30,900 bar in Rutland and there were some you 473 00:22:36,500 --> 00:22:32,400 know charges but that they were 474 00:22:40,250 --> 00:22:36,510 eventually dropped yeah I mean he never 475 00:22:41,660 --> 00:22:40,260 he never did that with me but he 476 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:41,670 definitely would get into arguments with 477 00:22:46,010 --> 00:22:43,050 people I suppose 478 00:22:47,930 --> 00:22:46,020 well yeah well I did I did mention that 479 00:22:52,460 --> 00:22:47,940 he got into some kind of disagreement 480 00:22:54,919 --> 00:22:52,470 with with with Charlie well another II 481 00:22:57,290 --> 00:22:54,929 was he told me that he was seeing and 482 00:23:00,140 --> 00:22:57,300 one called Nancy who had a radio show 483 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:00,150 and that he did an advert for her radio 484 00:23:06,650 --> 00:23:04,490 show and he did that advert in 485 00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:06,660 broadcasting school in Connecticut which 486 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:08,880 is nowhere near well it's not Vermont is 487 00:23:15,860 --> 00:23:14,130 it so he's kind of his you knew Nancy 488 00:23:17,330 --> 00:23:15,870 and this is why I'm kind of bringing it 489 00:23:21,980 --> 00:23:17,340 in because I remember him mentioning her 490 00:23:24,919 --> 00:23:21,990 that he did this advert fara some sort 491 00:23:27,380 --> 00:23:24,929 of voice over for you know whatever air 492 00:23:30,770 --> 00:23:27,390 show was what he said that he did this 493 00:23:33,049 --> 00:23:30,780 at a broadcasting school which he's 494 00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:33,059 later says Connecticut and he actually 495 00:23:41,270 --> 00:23:38,000 got a Bachelor of Arts degree in in 496 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:41,280 communications which is hilarious 497 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:44,490 because capturing a sentence together or 498 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:47,970 use a computer oh well you know I'm not 499 00:23:53,030 --> 00:23:49,770 so sure that he can't use a computer to 500 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:53,040 be honest alone because he says this but 501 00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:55,170 he managed to churn out all this stuff 502 00:24:00,560 --> 00:23:57,600 so you know I think that might be 503 00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:00,570 another lie as well yeah yeah you know 504 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:03,600 what exactly when I first met him he was 505 00:24:12,020 --> 00:24:08,610 living with Nancy Nancy was a well-known 506 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:12,030 radio DJ at the time she was a real DJ 507 00:24:20,659 --> 00:24:15,090 in rutland for many many years she still 508 00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,669 lives in Rutland and I I can remember 509 00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,039 going to pick him up at her apartment 510 00:24:27,979 --> 00:24:25,200 you know so I was actually in that 511 00:24:29,690 --> 00:24:27,989 apartment I can remember he was 512 00:24:32,029 --> 00:24:29,700 definitely working on the book with 513 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:32,039 Peter Robbins at that time and I can 514 00:24:38,930 --> 00:24:35,850 remember him showing me like you know 515 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:38,940 some like photographs of you know 516 00:24:46,940 --> 00:24:41,850 alleged you know like UFOs or aliens or 517 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:46,950 that kind of thing and you know but it 518 00:24:52,460 --> 00:24:50,970 was a very small apartment I mean to be 519 00:24:55,310 --> 00:24:52,470 honest and I think I mentioned this to 520 00:24:57,619 --> 00:24:55,320 you once privately it was like I hadn't 521 00:25:00,590 --> 00:24:57,629 really thought about until just recently 522 00:25:02,389 --> 00:25:00,600 it never had occurred to me how he even 523 00:25:09,109 --> 00:25:02,399 ended up in Rouen to begin with this 524 00:25:11,180 --> 00:25:09,119 Rutland is really a small town and and 525 00:25:14,090 --> 00:25:11,190 then when I realized that oh yeah he 526 00:25:16,340 --> 00:25:14,100 grew up maybe an hour away from here 527 00:25:19,249 --> 00:25:16,350 over in upstate New York so it's really 528 00:25:21,379 --> 00:25:19,259 not that far away so then it then it 529 00:25:27,349 --> 00:25:21,389 sort of made some sense but why he came 530 00:25:30,019 --> 00:25:27,359 to Rutland I have no idea you know but 531 00:25:32,419 --> 00:25:30,029 as far as Connecticut Connecticut's Pro 532 00:25:34,609 --> 00:25:32,429 you know it's a couple hours away from 533 00:25:36,889 --> 00:25:34,619 you know you got a drive from Vermont 534 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:36,899 south through Massachusetts to get to 535 00:25:40,999 --> 00:25:39,450 Connecticut so you know if you from here 536 00:25:44,450 --> 00:25:41,009 from Rutland up Hartford Connecticut 537 00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:44,460 Connecticut is like three hours it's 538 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:46,080 just the way that you kind of knits 539 00:25:51,139 --> 00:25:48,570 little things together so far apart 540 00:25:55,580 --> 00:25:51,149 they're not you know I can't a dumb 541 00:25:59,299 --> 00:25:55,590 little advert as he told me brief like 542 00:26:03,649 --> 00:25:59,309 voiceover unfit for her show and driven 543 00:26:06,109 --> 00:26:03,659 to flowers to be able to do that you 544 00:26:08,379 --> 00:26:06,119 know so what does what doesn't make 545 00:26:11,810 --> 00:26:08,389 sense there is that first of all Nancy 546 00:26:13,940 --> 00:26:11,820 was a professional DJ she wouldn't need 547 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:13,950 something helps to make any kind of 548 00:26:19,159 --> 00:26:15,690 advertisement for that's what her job 549 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:19,169 would have been yeah you know deejays 550 00:26:27,259 --> 00:26:21,690 radio deejays do make advertisements do 551 00:26:29,330 --> 00:26:27,269 do do voiceovers so I don't understand 552 00:26:34,190 --> 00:26:29,340 why she would need somebody else to do 553 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:34,200 that for her and you know I'm just going 554 00:26:37,730 --> 00:26:34,530 to bring 555 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:37,740 this point up is as I've seen a lot of 556 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:42,210 the like kind of YouTube videos and and 557 00:26:48,020 --> 00:26:45,330 heard some of the podcasts with you know 558 00:26:52,460 --> 00:26:48,030 Larry's defenders you know putting him 559 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:52,470 on here's another thing that you just go 560 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:54,690 how many things can this guy possibly do 561 00:26:59,570 --> 00:26:56,250 in his lifetime I mean like you know he 562 00:27:01,610 --> 00:26:59,580 was you know when in the service then he 563 00:27:03,820 --> 00:27:01,620 got a communications degree while 564 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:03,830 somehow it's somewhere along the line he 565 00:27:09,380 --> 00:27:06,050 managed to work in the steel industry 566 00:27:11,870 --> 00:27:09,390 somehow along was like a huge mover and 567 00:27:14,780 --> 00:27:11,880 shaker in the music industry oh my god 568 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:14,790 he was down in 911 pulling you know 569 00:27:19,790 --> 00:27:17,850 bodies out of the wreckage and you know 570 00:27:23,690 --> 00:27:19,800 owned somewhere in there he was abducted 571 00:27:26,060 --> 00:27:23,700 by UFOs I mean somewhere in there he saw 572 00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:26,070 Bigfoot I mean it's just like on and on 573 00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:28,710 and on and it's like there's I'm just 574 00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:30,200 gonna throw this out there there's no 575 00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:32,820 verifiable oh wait he was a bodyguard 576 00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:34,830 too wasn't he had some bodyguard 577 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:38,310 yeah for John Lennon he claims in 2011 578 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:40,530 he saw some items that belonged that he 579 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:43,290 said belong to John Lennon and he said 580 00:27:47,270 --> 00:27:45,450 that he was John Lennon's bodyguard but 581 00:27:51,710 --> 00:27:47,280 he actually said that he met him in cafe 582 00:27:55,490 --> 00:27:51,720 Fortuna in November 1980 just a week 583 00:27:57,380 --> 00:27:55,500 before he died and now he said he met 584 00:27:59,000 --> 00:27:57,390 Don than three times and he's trying to 585 00:28:01,130 --> 00:27:59,010 make her out but his dad is something in 586 00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:01,140 the music industry now so that he could 587 00:28:03,140 --> 00:28:02,640 say that he met these people when he was 588 00:28:05,570 --> 00:28:03,150 younger 589 00:28:08,450 --> 00:28:05,580 he's actually in actual fact his dad was 590 00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,460 an insurance salesman in New York and 591 00:28:14,090 --> 00:28:11,520 that's in his book so yes so an 592 00:28:17,030 --> 00:28:14,100 insurance salesman allegedly you know I 593 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:17,040 mean the thing with John Lennon I mean 594 00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:18,930 it's mind-boggling because in Larry's 595 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:23,640 home timeline he was what 17 or 18 when 596 00:28:28,190 --> 00:28:26,490 John Lennon died so like John Lennon's 597 00:28:32,390 --> 00:28:28,200 going to hire an 18 year old as his 598 00:28:34,460 --> 00:28:32,400 bodyguard I seriously doubt that well if 599 00:28:37,370 --> 00:28:34,470 you saw the graphs of Larry when he was 600 00:28:38,660 --> 00:28:37,380 actually 1819 he looks like he wasted 601 00:28:42,490 --> 00:28:38,670 just a little bit more than a wet 602 00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:42,500 flannel yeah he the photograph that he's 603 00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,900 generated of himself standing with John 604 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:48,000 Lennon he looks at least four 605 00:28:54,050 --> 00:28:51,210 say yeah oh yeah I've seen that 606 00:28:58,250 --> 00:28:54,060 photograph so I mean the point that I'm 607 00:28:59,810 --> 00:28:58,260 getting at is that like you know people 608 00:29:03,230 --> 00:28:59,820 need to kind of step back and look 609 00:29:06,730 --> 00:29:03,240 objectively and say how is it possible 610 00:29:09,170 --> 00:29:06,740 that this guy has done all of these 611 00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:09,180 amazing fantastical things in his 612 00:29:14,690 --> 00:29:12,360 lifetime it's not possible you know 613 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:14,700 another one he used to pass off and 614 00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:17,970 Rutland here was that he was a he tried 615 00:29:22,390 --> 00:29:19,620 he was telling people for a while that 616 00:29:26,510 --> 00:29:22,400 he was Vietnam that suffering from PTSD 617 00:29:28,910 --> 00:29:26,520 and that's it there was there was a 618 00:29:32,780 --> 00:29:28,920 bartender at this this bar that I used 619 00:29:34,430 --> 00:29:32,790 to play every week and he was a Larry 620 00:29:36,020 --> 00:29:34,440 was obviously a regular there and he 621 00:29:39,020 --> 00:29:36,030 later ended up living with this 622 00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,030 bartender or actually might have been at 623 00:29:44,990 --> 00:29:41,520 that time and the bartender actually was 624 00:29:47,780 --> 00:29:45,000 a Vietnam vet who definitely had some 625 00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:47,790 PTSD and he pulled Larry aside and said 626 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:50,910 dude I know how old you are senior you 627 00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,690 know your license or your ID so don't be 628 00:30:00,410 --> 00:29:56,880 doing that you know Vietnam vets do not 629 00:30:02,210 --> 00:30:00,420 take kindly to people you know trying to 630 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:02,220 claim that their Vietnam vet when they 631 00:30:05,980 --> 00:30:04,050 weren't you know so I mean let's put it 632 00:30:08,690 --> 00:30:05,990 this way when Vietnam ended 633 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:08,700 Larry would have been something like 13 634 00:30:18,410 --> 00:30:11,010 yeah clearly did not serve in the 635 00:30:19,850 --> 00:30:18,420 service in 1974 1975 so you know you and 636 00:30:21,650 --> 00:30:19,860 then you know then add on to what he's 637 00:30:24,140 --> 00:30:21,660 talking about oh yeah and I worked for 638 00:30:25,810 --> 00:30:24,150 that Beach Boys and I worked for Stevie 639 00:30:29,450 --> 00:30:25,820 Ray I mean it's just it's too 640 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:29,460 fantastical well I think the best points 641 00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:32,010 of all of that nonsense is when he said 642 00:30:38,420 --> 00:30:36,240 that he was he actually co-signed 643 00:30:40,580 --> 00:30:38,430 Metallica and received half a million 644 00:30:43,460 --> 00:30:40,590 pounds finder's fee with a friend of his 645 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:43,470 Richard who also signed him but a guy 646 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:45,210 called Michael allaha actually signed 647 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:47,130 Metallica and there's a film about him 648 00:30:51,710 --> 00:30:49,050 on Netflix and there's no mention of 649 00:30:54,500 --> 00:30:51,720 Larry Warren as Odin of anybody because 650 00:30:57,490 --> 00:30:54,510 especially not Richard or Larry or any 651 00:31:00,440 --> 00:30:57,500 of that but he stills when Tino mogera 652 00:31:02,169 --> 00:31:00,450 took it upon himself to ask all the 653 00:31:04,930 --> 00:31:02,179 questions that we were asking 654 00:31:07,959 --> 00:31:04,940 and give it the college try yet when 655 00:31:09,580 --> 00:31:07,969 Larry continued to lie and said no he 656 00:31:11,409 --> 00:31:09,590 never said that he said that he spent 657 00:31:13,180 --> 00:31:11,419 Richard got paid a million and that he 658 00:31:15,219 --> 00:31:13,190 should have got half a million because 659 00:31:18,609 --> 00:31:15,229 he introduced them to him 660 00:31:21,759 --> 00:31:18,619 Richard still didn't sign Metallica 661 00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:21,769 Michael allaha still signed Metallica 662 00:31:27,729 --> 00:31:25,039 and Tino didn't go out well how does 663 00:31:30,820 --> 00:31:27,739 Michael alig all fit into this blah blah 664 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:30,830 he just went okay next question so you 665 00:31:34,570 --> 00:31:32,690 know even when asked a question about 666 00:31:37,899 --> 00:31:34,580 something that's been absolutely proven 667 00:31:40,419 --> 00:31:37,909 to be completely untrue you just carried 668 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:40,429 on with the same narrative and Gary has 669 00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:41,690 all signs doing the same thing they're 670 00:31:44,649 --> 00:31:43,039 both kind of like get in there is just 671 00:31:46,570 --> 00:31:44,659 look down don't look up don't look at it 672 00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:46,580 said it's not happening London alley 673 00:31:51,729 --> 00:31:50,089 Lola right and it'll all go away well no 674 00:31:54,479 --> 00:31:51,739 it's not going away that's getting 675 00:31:57,310 --> 00:31:54,489 bigger because now you're here with your 676 00:31:58,329 --> 00:31:57,320 evidence of exactly the same things as 677 00:32:01,089 --> 00:31:58,339 I've been saying 678 00:32:03,339 --> 00:32:01,099 in fact you tie beautifully into it 679 00:32:05,169 --> 00:32:03,349 because the folks have debunked if they 680 00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:05,179 have him with Stevie Ray Vaughan wearing 681 00:32:10,299 --> 00:32:07,849 that jacket you have the jacket I have 682 00:32:17,529 --> 00:32:10,309 the jacket I still because I heard so I 683 00:32:20,649 --> 00:32:17,539 do still have the jacket yeah I mean he 684 00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:20,659 gave me a number of items you know he 685 00:32:28,539 --> 00:32:23,049 gave me a couple of allegedly signed 686 00:32:30,539 --> 00:32:28,549 photographs you know he gave me at one 687 00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:30,549 point he gave me a guitar effects pedal 688 00:32:37,239 --> 00:32:34,369 which was a crybaby Kyra ya crybaby fuzz 689 00:32:38,739 --> 00:32:37,249 wah and you know that this blonde is 690 00:32:41,409 --> 00:32:38,749 Stevie Ray Vaughan and he used it and he 691 00:32:43,930 --> 00:32:41,419 gave me this handwritten letter of 692 00:32:46,450 --> 00:32:43,940 authenticity from Rene Martinez who was 693 00:32:49,659 --> 00:32:46,460 Stevie Ray Vaughan's you know guitar 694 00:32:52,479 --> 00:32:49,669 tech once I've gone through my date 695 00:32:55,149 --> 00:32:52,489 books I realized that when he gave me 696 00:32:58,089 --> 00:32:55,159 that particular item and the letter it 697 00:33:01,299 --> 00:32:58,099 was I had already been like pulling away 698 00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:01,309 from him at that point and and I and 699 00:33:06,909 --> 00:33:04,849 then I sort of started to remember I 700 00:33:09,159 --> 00:33:06,919 kind of had a mental debate with myself 701 00:33:11,769 --> 00:33:09,169 over whether I should take it because I 702 00:33:13,210 --> 00:33:11,779 was like I you know I'm positive this 703 00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:13,220 guy's full of crap 704 00:33:15,940 --> 00:33:15,200 so why would you and then I was like 705 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:15,950 well he is 706 00:33:20,620 --> 00:33:17,690 giving you a foot pedal so you know 707 00:33:27,159 --> 00:33:20,630 there's something there you know and so 708 00:33:29,620 --> 00:33:27,169 I did take it and I've I later on there 709 00:33:31,899 --> 00:33:29,630 was an amplifier I wanted so I tree it I 710 00:33:34,029 --> 00:33:31,909 used to come while still do but I used 711 00:33:37,570 --> 00:33:34,039 to collect effects pedals in particular 712 00:33:40,060 --> 00:33:37,580 so I had I traded a bunch of vintage 713 00:33:41,889 --> 00:33:40,070 effects pedals and I traded that in 714 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:41,899 towards the sand but with no mention of 715 00:33:45,460 --> 00:33:43,610 Stevie Ray Vaughn I had peeled off a 716 00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:45,470 little sticker on the bottom where he 717 00:33:49,629 --> 00:33:47,600 it's at SRV that you know he had written 718 00:33:52,570 --> 00:33:49,639 on there and I pulled that off and just 719 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:52,580 traded as as sectional you know I never 720 00:33:57,100 --> 00:33:55,010 said anything about any celebrity 721 00:33:59,470 --> 00:33:57,110 connection and I kept the letter of 722 00:34:02,470 --> 00:33:59,480 authenticity because as soon as he gave 723 00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:02,480 it to me I still had his handwritten 724 00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,320 letter to me and I'm like wow it's not 725 00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:08,960 even disguised handwriting it was so 726 00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:13,280 blatantly the same handwriting that you 727 00:34:17,470 --> 00:34:15,440 know up but that's why you know that was 728 00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:17,480 I mean I I knew like this this is 729 00:34:26,919 --> 00:34:21,679 completely bogus so I've kept that all 730 00:34:29,889 --> 00:34:26,929 these years and because I throughout the 731 00:34:33,550 --> 00:34:29,899 90s to bring this to people's attention 732 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:33,560 because it became pretty obvious that he 733 00:34:39,700 --> 00:34:37,970 was selling these items he he gave a 734 00:34:43,809 --> 00:34:39,710 number of items to a number of different 735 00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:43,819 people here in Rutland a buddy buddy of 736 00:34:47,619 --> 00:34:46,250 mine you know has an album allegedly 737 00:34:50,290 --> 00:34:47,629 signed by all the members of the 738 00:34:53,230 --> 00:34:50,300 Grateful Dead there's another guy he 739 00:34:54,849 --> 00:34:53,240 gave a bass to that he said it was giant 740 00:34:56,740 --> 00:34:54,859 whistles and he'll sign buy it and it's 741 00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:56,750 it's not even expensive bake it was like 742 00:35:00,700 --> 00:34:58,640 a cheapo bass then it was like nothing 743 00:35:05,290 --> 00:35:00,710 that Entwistle would have even looked at 744 00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,300 nevermind played in fact the guy ended 745 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:07,760 up removing the effe can't whistle 746 00:35:11,380 --> 00:35:09,410 autograph off of it because he needed 747 00:35:14,890 --> 00:35:11,390 like this thing's not real any and he 748 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:14,900 played the bass but and he also has some 749 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:19,490 signed you know photographs you know 750 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:21,050 like so I think a Stevie Ray Vaughan 751 00:35:23,980 --> 00:35:22,490 thing that he you know said the same 752 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:23,990 thing he's like this is obviously not 753 00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,770 his signature for one thing bond is 754 00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:29,280 spelled wrong 755 00:35:35,810 --> 00:35:31,710 pretty much all of the alleged 756 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:35,820 autographed items I have Vaughn is 757 00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:39,330 misspelled so I'm like you know I doubt 758 00:35:43,130 --> 00:35:40,920 that stevie ray vaughan forgot how to 759 00:35:46,940 --> 00:35:43,140 spell his own name and in it multiple 760 00:35:50,839 --> 00:35:46,950 times you know well there's a there's a 761 00:35:52,670 --> 00:35:50,849 few items that a house like that there's 762 00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,680 one piece of evidence he claims to be 763 00:35:56,420 --> 00:35:54,720 part of his military records where 764 00:35:58,580 --> 00:35:56,430 somebody called Lisa way and spell him 765 00:36:02,470 --> 00:35:58,590 incorrectly twice on the same different 766 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:02,480 piece of paper in two different pens I 767 00:36:07,820 --> 00:36:05,490 mean I'm sure that you're gonna use the 768 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:07,830 documents that I sent you and like some 769 00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:10,770 of the analysis that I mean you know 770 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:14,280 because basically my hope here was that 771 00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,570 I could with Larry's own handwritten 772 00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:20,880 statement I could prove that he gave me 773 00:36:25,820 --> 00:36:23,310 the jacket he made the claim that it was 774 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:25,830 signed by Stevie Ray Vaughn you have 775 00:36:30,740 --> 00:36:28,290 photographs of the jacket and you know 776 00:36:36,620 --> 00:36:30,750 the handwriting on it 777 00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:36,630 I want once you and I made contact you 778 00:36:40,099 --> 00:36:38,310 know just got a step back again like 779 00:36:41,630 --> 00:36:40,109 throughout maybe the reason I kept all 780 00:36:43,490 --> 00:36:41,640 this stuff in the first place was 781 00:36:45,890 --> 00:36:43,500 because I was trying to bring to 782 00:36:48,380 --> 00:36:45,900 people's attention that I was sure that 783 00:36:51,380 --> 00:36:48,390 he was foraging item you know 784 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:51,390 memorabilia and selling it for large 785 00:37:00,980 --> 00:36:54,690 sums of money you know and that really 786 00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:00,990 rubbed me the wrong way and so and I 787 00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:03,119 kind of you know you'd run into people 788 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:05,280 where they were just convinced that oh 789 00:37:07,940 --> 00:37:07,650 well he you know he's he's telling the 790 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:07,950 truth 791 00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:11,210 look he's on TV on the Discovery Channel 792 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:14,250 showing the you know where the UFO came 793 00:37:19,490 --> 00:37:16,050 down he must be telling the truth about 794 00:37:20,450 --> 00:37:19,500 this guitar signed by Jerry Garcia you 795 00:37:24,740 --> 00:37:20,460 know what I mean it was like there was 796 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:24,750 no logical connection to what they were 797 00:37:30,589 --> 00:37:27,810 saying but that's what he knew he'd kind 798 00:37:32,359 --> 00:37:30,599 of used like I remember there was a kind 799 00:37:34,609 --> 00:37:32,369 of painted guitar that he claimed was 800 00:37:37,339 --> 00:37:34,619 signed by you know I think it was all 801 00:37:39,170 --> 00:37:37,349 the members of the Grateful Dead and but 802 00:37:40,910 --> 00:37:39,180 because he could show the auction book 803 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:40,920 that was in people went well must be 804 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:42,690 real it's in you know 805 00:37:46,849 --> 00:37:45,210 action book and on is like no that 806 00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:46,859 doesn't mean it's real you know look at 807 00:37:54,020 --> 00:37:51,900 it you know you know and so what I was 808 00:37:56,569 --> 00:37:54,030 hoping was that you know I saved all 809 00:37:58,670 --> 00:37:56,579 those years is that somebody eventually 810 00:38:01,480 --> 00:37:58,680 would be interested enough to like 811 00:38:03,950 --> 00:38:01,490 actually pursue investigating and that 812 00:38:06,910 --> 00:38:03,960 here's you know evidence that could at 813 00:38:09,740 --> 00:38:06,920 least be looked at in comparison to 814 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:09,750 actual handwriting from these famous 815 00:38:18,829 --> 00:38:13,530 people and compared to other items that 816 00:38:22,670 --> 00:38:18,839 he's you know sold and so once you and I 817 00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:22,680 made contact I sent a jacket to an 818 00:38:29,089 --> 00:38:25,680 authentication house here in the United 819 00:38:30,530 --> 00:38:29,099 States that does a lot of you know 820 00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:30,540 authenticating with signatures and 821 00:38:40,329 --> 00:38:35,089 memorabilia well very well respected and 822 00:38:43,849 --> 00:38:40,339 paid to have it officially analyzed and 823 00:38:46,370 --> 00:38:43,859 it you know it came back that this is a 824 00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:46,380 complete forgery and they list off a 825 00:38:53,859 --> 00:38:50,880 number of reasons as to why so it now 826 00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:53,869 shows that Larry gave me the jacket 827 00:38:58,849 --> 00:38:56,400 Larry says it was signed by Stevie Ray 828 00:39:02,690 --> 00:38:58,859 Vaughan the forgers are the 829 00:39:05,660 --> 00:39:02,700 Authenticator say no it wasn't so that 830 00:39:07,460 --> 00:39:05,670 means he's lying he never had it signed 831 00:39:09,770 --> 00:39:07,470 by Stevie Ray Vaughn well that's not 832 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:09,780 Stevie Ray Vaughn then who signed the 833 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:12,930 jacket from that point you can look at 834 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:15,450 the jacket you can look at the other 835 00:39:18,980 --> 00:39:17,490 items that he gave me that were signed 836 00:39:20,750 --> 00:39:18,990 you can look at the letter of 837 00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,760 authenticity he gave me from Rene 838 00:39:25,630 --> 00:39:22,800 Martinez you can look at Larry's own 839 00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:25,640 handwritten letter that he sent me and 840 00:39:30,770 --> 00:39:28,800 come to the conclusion that the 841 00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:30,780 handwriting all looks very very similar 842 00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:33,440 and you know then you can start 843 00:39:37,849 --> 00:39:36,000 comparing it to other documents that are 844 00:39:40,460 --> 00:39:37,859 known to have come from him from 845 00:39:44,809 --> 00:39:40,470 different auctions John Lydon 846 00:39:46,220 --> 00:39:44,819 John Lennon items for example or to one 847 00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:46,230 of his other favorites that he sells 848 00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:50,160 online but you know that's Jimi Hendrix 849 00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:51,540 I mean there's there's a number of 850 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:54,540 different ones that he's that you found 851 00:39:58,920 --> 00:39:56,490 auction well at least yeah 852 00:40:01,290 --> 00:39:58,930 absolutely and I've tried to stop as 853 00:40:03,450 --> 00:40:01,300 many of the sales as I can but I also 854 00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:03,460 realized that while stopping that I was 855 00:40:08,580 --> 00:40:06,610 stopping criminal activity and so there 856 00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:08,590 would never be a conviction so I kind of 857 00:40:13,230 --> 00:40:12,400 backed off a little but the guitars that 858 00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:13,240 he's had 859 00:40:20,460 --> 00:40:16,720 it was obviously had a few because the 860 00:40:22,530 --> 00:40:20,470 one that I investigated was basically 861 00:40:28,170 --> 00:40:22,540 the guitar that he said that Steve I'll 862 00:40:31,530 --> 00:40:28,180 give him at that gig yep he said he was 863 00:40:34,340 --> 00:40:31,540 at where Joe Cocker opened but in fact 864 00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:34,350 Larry wasn't there because I was there 865 00:40:39,180 --> 00:40:37,750 yes I'm glad you brought that up so and 866 00:40:40,590 --> 00:40:39,190 I can even tell you what they thought 867 00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:40,600 was right off the top of my head it was 868 00:40:49,860 --> 00:40:45,730 July 3rd 1990 Stevie Ray Vaughan and Joe 869 00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:49,870 Cocker played at the shanna in Essex 870 00:40:59,580 --> 00:40:53,680 Junction Vermont Champlain Valley 871 00:41:05,010 --> 00:40:59,590 fairgrounds and my wife and I attended 872 00:41:06,660 --> 00:41:05,020 that show and it worked out that the 873 00:41:09,450 --> 00:41:06,670 tickets that we had which should have 874 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:09,460 been way up in the grandstand they had 875 00:41:14,220 --> 00:41:11,650 pulled out our they had put a big 876 00:41:17,310 --> 00:41:14,230 spotlight follow spot where our seats 877 00:41:19,350 --> 00:41:17,320 were supposed to be so when I went to 878 00:41:21,870 --> 00:41:19,360 the Estrin said uh these seats don't 879 00:41:23,790 --> 00:41:21,880 exist the guy said well you can go sit 880 00:41:25,740 --> 00:41:23,800 wherever you want so we walked way down 881 00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:25,750 to the we went down front we went down 882 00:41:33,170 --> 00:41:29,260 to the front row and Joe Cocker was the 883 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:33,180 opener Stevie Ray was a headliner and 884 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:37,810 I'm sure that when I first met Larry I 885 00:41:46,980 --> 00:41:43,210 would have told him that then I had an 886 00:41:49,050 --> 00:41:46,990 end of that show and you can prove 887 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:49,060 because you saw that was stuff yeah I 888 00:41:55,980 --> 00:41:53,770 still have the tickets those yes and and 889 00:42:00,090 --> 00:41:55,990 you know no like jumping to the guitar 890 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:00,100 that you're talking about there's some 891 00:42:03,540 --> 00:42:01,930 kind of interesting connections as far 892 00:42:05,790 --> 00:42:03,550 as a goes to because another one of the 893 00:42:09,989 --> 00:42:05,800 things that I have that Larry gave me at 894 00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:14,519 a sunburst Fender Stratocaster it was 895 00:42:20,459 --> 00:42:18,609 hanging up in a Hard Rock Cafe and it 896 00:42:22,379 --> 00:42:20,469 was you know one that was there doned by 897 00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:22,389 Stevie Ray Vaughan it's in the Hard Rock 898 00:42:30,269 --> 00:42:26,529 Cafe and there was a signature by Stevie 899 00:42:32,729 --> 00:42:30,279 across the top of the face of guitar and 900 00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:32,739 I still have this photograph because I'm 901 00:42:43,499 --> 00:42:40,689 a hoarder and I kept it and so so it's 902 00:42:47,279 --> 00:42:43,509 kind of and like I said I had said 903 00:42:50,099 --> 00:42:47,289 before when I first met Larry he started 904 00:42:53,149 --> 00:42:50,109 showing all these instruments and 905 00:42:54,529 --> 00:42:53,159 memorabilia items to people around 906 00:42:59,699 --> 00:42:54,539 Rutland 907 00:43:04,319 --> 00:42:59,709 one of them was on 1967 sunburst Fender 908 00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:04,329 Stratocaster that he said belonged to 909 00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:08,529 Jimi Hendrix and as I said there was 910 00:43:13,499 --> 00:43:10,569 definitely no serial number connection 911 00:43:16,409 --> 00:43:13,509 to anything that was you know documented 912 00:43:18,059 --> 00:43:16,419 to have been owned by Hendrix but he he 913 00:43:20,549 --> 00:43:18,069 would like to point out that somebody 914 00:43:22,319 --> 00:43:20,559 had put like there had been hole where 915 00:43:25,019 --> 00:43:22,329 there had been a strap button that would 916 00:43:27,179 --> 00:43:25,029 have been on the wrong side for a 917 00:43:29,309 --> 00:43:27,189 right-handed player to use so that you 918 00:43:35,099 --> 00:43:29,319 know he was like yeah that you know see 919 00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:35,109 Jimi using music you know and so when I 920 00:43:39,899 --> 00:43:37,839 saw that guitar there was no signature 921 00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:39,909 there was no mention that it had ever 922 00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:42,129 belonged to Stevie Ray Vaughan there was 923 00:43:48,059 --> 00:43:44,649 no mention that Stevie Ray gave this 924 00:43:51,439 --> 00:43:48,069 guitar to me at the you know the Stevie 925 00:43:57,569 --> 00:43:51,449 Show with Joe Cocker nothing it was a 926 00:44:02,579 --> 00:43:57,579 Jimi Hendrix guitar well later on and I 927 00:44:05,579 --> 00:44:02,589 didn't find this until later but there 928 00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:05,589 was somebody apparently this guitar went 929 00:44:09,929 --> 00:44:07,169 up for auction 930 00:44:12,059 --> 00:44:09,939 signed by Stevie Ray Vaughan right 931 00:44:14,759 --> 00:44:12,069 across the top of the face very similar 932 00:44:19,979 --> 00:44:14,769 to the photograph of the one in the Hard 933 00:44:21,749 --> 00:44:19,989 Rock Cafe and yeah you know the only 934 00:44:23,249 --> 00:44:21,759 difference in the two guitars was that 935 00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:23,259 the one in the Hard Rock had a maple 936 00:44:26,819 --> 00:44:23,920 neck 937 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:26,829 maple fingerboard the one that Larry had 938 00:44:36,779 --> 00:44:29,890 had a rosewood but the autograph was in 939 00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:36,789 the same place and so an individual paid 940 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:40,089 a large sum of money for that guitar 941 00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:42,730 back in the mid 90s so this was when 942 00:44:51,089 --> 00:44:46,710 Larry was still living in Vermont and 943 00:44:53,730 --> 00:44:51,099 that and one of the pieces that went 944 00:44:57,870 --> 00:44:53,740 with the guitar was a handwritten letter 945 00:45:00,089 --> 00:44:57,880 of authenticity which you can still find 946 00:45:02,579 --> 00:45:00,099 online because that guitar is still 947 00:45:03,809 --> 00:45:02,589 being attempted to be sold within the 948 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:03,819 last couple years 949 00:45:09,299 --> 00:45:05,890 what was the Guernsey's I think was the 950 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:09,309 auction house that sold it online they 951 00:45:14,609 --> 00:45:11,650 didn't manage to sell it all right it 952 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:14,619 just keeps going back into interser into 953 00:45:21,420 --> 00:45:18,130 this it was bought by Stevie Ray 954 00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:21,430 Vaughan's biographer Barton in 1995 and 955 00:45:26,789 --> 00:45:24,400 he was refunded the running but they 956 00:45:29,999 --> 00:45:26,799 auction houses always give the I service 957 00:45:33,390 --> 00:45:30,009 back to people and so they just keep 958 00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:33,400 popping up every now and again you know 959 00:45:39,509 --> 00:45:36,609 options and I've seen it a few years ago 960 00:45:41,940 --> 00:45:39,519 up for 80 you saw another one what was 961 00:45:44,579 --> 00:45:41,950 it 400 I also get this yes so we're not 962 00:45:47,279 --> 00:45:44,589 talking we're not talking you know petty 963 00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,289 crime here this is like you know this is 964 00:45:53,789 --> 00:45:49,599 definitely great grand theft you know 965 00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:53,799 and um so so the point there I was going 966 00:45:59,279 --> 00:45:56,319 with was that one of the things that 967 00:46:01,559 --> 00:45:59,289 this auction house posted was this 968 00:46:04,859 --> 00:46:01,569 letter of authenticity alleged to have 969 00:46:09,890 --> 00:46:04,869 been handwritten by Stevie Ray Vaughn 970 00:46:14,249 --> 00:46:09,900 himself and which he again talks about I 971 00:46:18,349 --> 00:46:14,259 gave this horse Larry Warren at the July 972 00:46:22,410 --> 00:46:18,359 3rd show 1990 in Essex Junction Vermont 973 00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:22,420 but then there are so many things in the 974 00:46:28,380 --> 00:46:24,880 letter that are like incorrect 975 00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:28,390 for example there's mention of I used 976 00:46:35,069 --> 00:46:33,250 this guitar at Larry's request for the 977 00:46:37,930 --> 00:46:35,079 Encore for a couple of students in the 978 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:37,940 Encore and Joe Cocker 979 00:46:45,970 --> 00:46:43,490 saying one of them never happened Joe 980 00:46:51,370 --> 00:46:45,980 Cocker didn't sing one note with Stevie 981 00:46:53,790 --> 00:46:51,380 Ray Vaughan's band not one so like why 982 00:46:57,819 --> 00:46:53,800 would Stevie Ray write something that 983 00:47:00,609 --> 00:46:57,829 completely didn't happen and not only 984 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:00,619 that that's not the guitar that he used 985 00:47:06,339 --> 00:47:04,010 in the on come on core in fact the guy 986 00:47:08,020 --> 00:47:06,349 that was the original purchaser who got 987 00:47:11,740 --> 00:47:08,030 his money refunded one point had written 988 00:47:15,609 --> 00:47:11,750 a very lengthy detailed letter of the 989 00:47:19,630 --> 00:47:15,619 entire country to PI's right and one of 990 00:47:21,579 --> 00:47:19,640 the things that he stated was he was 991 00:47:22,930 --> 00:47:21,589 told numerous times that Larry was going 992 00:47:24,970 --> 00:47:22,940 to provide him with photographic 993 00:47:27,490 --> 00:47:24,980 evidence of Stevie Ray Vaughn player 994 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:27,500 never came up with photographs and 995 00:47:33,579 --> 00:47:29,690 eventually admitted there are no 996 00:47:36,359 --> 00:47:33,589 photographs of him playing it all right 997 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:36,369 he also further confirmed with the 998 00:47:42,849 --> 00:47:39,650 actual Rene Martinez that there was no 999 00:47:47,170 --> 00:47:42,859 evidence that Stevie Ray had ever owned 1000 00:47:49,150 --> 00:47:47,180 or played that guitar and as his guitar 1001 00:47:55,359 --> 00:47:49,160 tech he would have been familiar with 1002 00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:55,369 all of Stevie's instruments so you know 1003 00:48:02,520 --> 00:47:58,160 another inconsistency in the letter was 1004 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:02,530 that Stevie Ray didn't seem to know 1005 00:48:07,780 --> 00:48:05,450 where the serial number would be on a 1006 00:48:11,170 --> 00:48:07,790 Stratocaster which is you know a guy at 1007 00:48:14,170 --> 00:48:11,180 his level of skill and clearly a 1008 00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:14,180 Stratocaster aficionado would definitely 1009 00:48:19,780 --> 00:48:16,480 know where to find serial number on a 1010 00:48:23,550 --> 00:48:19,790 1967 Stratocaster he would also know 1011 00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:23,560 that sunburst is not two words it's one 1012 00:48:30,670 --> 00:48:28,160 you know just things like that and that 1013 00:48:32,530 --> 00:48:30,680 guy's a letter of authenticity was 1014 00:48:34,780 --> 00:48:32,540 written Oh it said that if somebody 1015 00:48:36,670 --> 00:48:34,790 called Paul Ray gave it to Jimi Hendrix 1016 00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:36,680 and Jimi Hendrix gave it to Stevie Ray 1017 00:48:43,809 --> 00:48:41,119 Vaughan so it's the most amazing saw he 1018 00:48:46,300 --> 00:48:43,819 got it was Jimmy's then Paul Ray who 1019 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:46,310 played in the Cobras which was you know 1020 00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:48,770 which was a bad TV had been connected to 1021 00:48:54,130 --> 00:48:51,890 way back before he was famous 1022 00:48:58,589 --> 00:48:54,140 and then yet many alleged that he got it 1023 00:49:01,870 --> 00:48:58,599 from Paul Ray who again in the original 1024 00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:01,880 purchasers detailed letter of the 1025 00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:05,839 transaction said he contacted ray and 1026 00:49:10,509 --> 00:49:08,720 Paul ray said never seen that guitar 1027 00:49:13,289 --> 00:49:10,519 before never owned it don't know 1028 00:49:15,729 --> 00:49:13,299 anything about it not mine 1029 00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:15,739 and we've got a photograph of him with 1030 00:49:21,849 --> 00:49:18,529 it in the jacket right so we know the 1031 00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:21,859 guitar is completely totally ridiculous 1032 00:49:26,279 --> 00:49:23,839 because it's had about five different 1033 00:49:30,489 --> 00:49:26,289 five different letters of authentication 1034 00:49:33,789 --> 00:49:30,499 I can't remember evil is running out a 1035 00:49:35,710 --> 00:49:33,799 name isn't the latest a lot of 1036 00:49:38,529 --> 00:49:35,720 authenticity is supposed to be written 1037 00:49:40,900 --> 00:49:38,539 that letter was my play the one that 1038 00:49:44,739 --> 00:49:40,910 came with the guitar was Stevie Ray 1039 00:49:46,989 --> 00:49:44,749 Vaughn no that was the first one no it's 1040 00:49:49,690 --> 00:49:46,999 not several letters altercation with it 1041 00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:49,700 is that one doing well I've only seen 1042 00:49:53,259 --> 00:49:51,170 that one as far as that particular 1043 00:49:54,729 --> 00:49:53,269 guitar there was another carp guitar 1044 00:49:59,140 --> 00:49:54,739 just recently they went up for auction 1045 00:50:01,870 --> 00:49:59,150 and that one has a Rene Marsh yeah yeah 1046 00:50:03,729 --> 00:50:01,880 but I might be getting muddled up there 1047 00:50:05,499 --> 00:50:03,739 is he's definitely given as several 1048 00:50:07,509 --> 00:50:05,509 different stories well me about the 1049 00:50:10,660 --> 00:50:07,519 guitar the other thing is is that you 1050 00:50:12,460 --> 00:50:10,670 know he's disputed that well yeah that 1051 00:50:15,789 --> 00:50:12,470 guitar was stolen from me and whatever 1052 00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:15,799 and here's the thing you know again you 1053 00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:17,569 look at the letter of authenticity 1054 00:50:25,180 --> 00:50:23,359 robust 1967 Stratocaster and that 1055 00:50:28,479 --> 00:50:25,190 allegedly and Stevie Ray Vaughan's 1056 00:50:30,579 --> 00:50:28,489 handwriting and you look at that you 1057 00:50:34,059 --> 00:50:30,589 look at the handwritten letter from 1058 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:34,069 Larry that he wrote me I mean you do not 1059 00:50:40,529 --> 00:50:36,890 have to be an FBI handwriting analyst to 1060 00:50:43,150 --> 00:50:40,539 like look at it go thank God he also 1061 00:50:44,049 --> 00:50:43,160 misspells the same words that Larry 1062 00:50:49,839 --> 00:50:44,059 misspells 1063 00:50:53,529 --> 00:50:49,849 oh yes Charlie Lennon Rene Martinez and 1064 00:50:56,229 --> 00:50:53,539 Larry Warren I'll spell the word jeering 1065 00:50:59,559 --> 00:50:56,239 with a double are and how many Stevie 1066 00:51:02,470 --> 00:50:59,569 Ryan pieces of evidence is it for ya 1067 00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:02,480 there's four cuz it was him 1068 00:51:07,870 --> 00:51:05,359 Rene Martinez Charlie Lennon 1069 00:51:10,209 --> 00:51:07,880 and this alleged letter by Stevie Ray 1070 00:51:16,509 --> 00:51:10,219 Vaughn all four of them spelled during 1071 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:16,519 do you are are ing like I don't think so 1072 00:51:25,749 --> 00:51:22,930 oh my goodness 1073 00:51:29,769 --> 00:51:25,759 also the Grateful Dead guitar he 1074 00:51:35,229 --> 00:51:29,779 actually has a few paintings he's 1075 00:51:37,839 --> 00:51:35,239 generated himself that he sold as he's 1076 00:51:43,930 --> 00:51:37,849 attempted to sell and managed to sell 1077 00:51:46,420 --> 00:51:43,940 one for eight thousand pounds the guitar 1078 00:51:50,009 --> 00:51:46,430 that we were just talking about now 1079 00:51:55,359 --> 00:51:50,019 there's just the one option in France 1080 00:51:57,069 --> 00:51:55,369 now Jim Jimmy gave Stevie a guitar 1081 00:51:59,410 --> 00:51:57,079 because Stevie kept stealing it 1082 00:52:02,289 --> 00:51:59,420 borrowing his stuff and Jimi was getting 1083 00:52:03,999 --> 00:52:02,299 pissed off with this and said you know 1084 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:04,009 leave my stuff alone and one of his 1085 00:52:07,690 --> 00:52:05,450 friends said why don't you just give him 1086 00:52:09,339 --> 00:52:07,700 that sprightly little guitar and then 1087 00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:09,349 he'll leave your stuff alone so it goes 1088 00:52:13,660 --> 00:52:12,170 okay it gives Stevie this he's gotten me 1089 00:52:16,180 --> 00:52:13,670 scratched into the headstock and it's 1090 00:52:22,479 --> 00:52:16,190 got Stevie scratch oh I don't think I've 1091 00:52:24,339 --> 00:52:22,489 seen this one okay so this one is three 1092 00:52:26,739 --> 00:52:24,349 hundred and twenty five thousand and the 1093 00:52:28,660 --> 00:52:26,749 story answered that's more like Oreos it 1094 00:52:30,729 --> 00:52:28,670 Stevie and I'm sorry the story is that 1095 00:52:34,359 --> 00:52:30,739 Stevie Ray got the guitar from Jimi 1096 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:34,369 Hendrix Jimi Jimi was brother Jimmy 1097 00:52:41,620 --> 00:52:36,890 sorry Jimmy Vaughan yeah well it was 1098 00:52:43,959 --> 00:52:41,630 whose middle name is Lawrence I thought 1099 00:52:45,189 --> 00:52:43,969 Jimmy Ray Vaughan I was like don't I got 1100 00:52:47,739 --> 00:52:45,199 a minute that's not right I thought 1101 00:52:51,789 --> 00:52:47,749 Jimmy Lee no it was even Louis but 1102 00:52:54,009 --> 00:52:51,799 anyway so this guitar the first one it's 1103 00:52:55,900 --> 00:52:54,019 a battered old looking it's a probably a 1104 00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:55,910 striper and play I was reading about the 1105 00:53:00,930 --> 00:52:57,410 other day and I think it's written about 1106 00:53:04,479 --> 00:53:00,940 by Craig Hopkins who is actually the 1107 00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:04,489 biographer and he's you know he knows 1108 00:53:12,370 --> 00:53:08,559 Jimmy and Jimmy is the custodian of all 1109 00:53:14,799 --> 00:53:12,380 Stevie's guitars so they're not all for 1110 00:53:16,959 --> 00:53:14,809 now in circulation that family don't 1111 00:53:18,609 --> 00:53:16,969 need any money they're not like you know 1112 00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:18,619 selling stuff because it needs to keep a 1113 00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:19,250 roof over the 1114 00:53:24,849 --> 00:53:22,400 blahblahblah sentiments are items and 1115 00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:24,859 the guitar and the price on that is 1116 00:53:29,230 --> 00:53:26,450 three hundred and twenty five thousand 1117 00:53:32,349 --> 00:53:29,240 which is expected see so we've got this 1118 00:53:34,270 --> 00:53:32,359 other guitar this what is it as strike I 1119 00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:34,280 don't know what is the person be it's a 1120 00:53:41,710 --> 00:53:37,849 great one but I've seen it in his flat 1121 00:53:43,780 --> 00:53:41,720 I saw it only guitar stand next to all 1122 00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:43,790 of the paintings that he's done that are 1123 00:53:47,410 --> 00:53:46,160 all of God hot king's work so he's 1124 00:53:49,540 --> 00:53:47,420 running he's showing us all these 1125 00:53:51,490 --> 00:53:49,550 paintings me and my partner one day I'm 1126 00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:51,500 around it is [\h__\h] I'm like wow I love 1127 00:53:54,460 --> 00:53:52,730 this wow that's amazing 1128 00:53:56,740 --> 00:53:54,470 he's right orange one word are these 1129 00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:56,750 like geometric patterns I find out later 1130 00:54:01,420 --> 00:53:58,880 it's an exact copy of God Hopkins 1131 00:54:03,790 --> 00:54:01,430 artwork and his wife's his ex-wife Sue 1132 00:54:05,770 --> 00:54:03,800 it's got all of these paintings all over 1133 00:54:06,910 --> 00:54:05,780 her house anybody who goes in that Apple 1134 00:54:09,849 --> 00:54:06,920 to take a look around and see all these 1135 00:54:11,770 --> 00:54:09,859 forgeries right I know that the bath is 1136 00:54:13,420 --> 00:54:11,780 in his house cuz I've seen it and it has 1137 00:54:15,670 --> 00:54:13,430 got a Stevie Ray Vaughan signature on it 1138 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:15,680 that he's all his Stevie Ray Vaughan 1139 00:54:22,390 --> 00:54:20,930 signature I know he had nothing on it 1140 00:54:23,770 --> 00:54:22,400 was just stood there and he never said 1141 00:54:24,730 --> 00:54:23,780 oh look Stevie Ray Vaughan's guitar 1142 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:24,740 because I hold I've melted 1143 00:54:28,180 --> 00:54:26,690 she'd have said it's like he says that 1144 00:54:30,609 --> 00:54:28,190 nobody knows who Stevie Ray Vaughan is 1145 00:54:32,829 --> 00:54:30,619 he says he got Stevie Ray into the Rock 1146 00:54:35,140 --> 00:54:32,839 and Roll Hall of Fame he said that he 1147 00:54:37,329 --> 00:54:35,150 put Stevie Ray Vaughan in his book to 1148 00:54:38,849 --> 00:54:37,339 put him on Larry's train to make him 1149 00:54:43,540 --> 00:54:38,859 famous 1150 00:54:45,940 --> 00:54:43,550 right and I said actually I remember 1151 00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:45,950 being at a Blues Festival the day that 1152 00:54:50,980 --> 00:54:48,770 Stevie died Annie and the word came back 1153 00:54:53,079 --> 00:54:50,990 we were all in the car park I'll stop 1154 00:54:55,630 --> 00:54:53,089 there because we'd all been with a band 1155 00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:55,640 who would play seen Stevie story Hendrix 1156 00:55:02,140 --> 00:54:58,640 rest of it and my partner was as sound 1157 00:55:04,420 --> 00:55:02,150 guy and it was a little shocked we were 1158 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:04,430 all reeling from it because we all love 1159 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:06,650 Stevie Ray Vaughan's hell is he talking 1160 00:55:11,650 --> 00:55:09,770 about nobody knows anyways right right 1161 00:55:14,010 --> 00:55:11,660 well I mean that's that's the thing is 1162 00:55:18,130 --> 00:55:14,020 that the folks that seemed to be 1163 00:55:22,660 --> 00:55:18,140 defending him and believed him are not 1164 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:22,670 willing to objectively look at you know 1165 00:55:27,579 --> 00:55:25,010 finding any evidence to back up his 1166 00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:27,589 claims you know a good example of that 1167 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:31,609 is you know I saw the interview with him 1168 00:55:37,740 --> 00:55:34,130 where he talks about 1169 00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:37,750 oh yeah I met Dennis Wilson when they 1170 00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:41,599 played in my hometown in upstate New 1171 00:55:46,359 --> 00:55:44,690 York now I did a little homework and I 1172 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:46,369 know where Larry's from he's from 1173 00:55:52,270 --> 00:55:49,010 Queensbury which is right up against 1174 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:52,280 Glens Falls New York and there's a Civic 1175 00:55:57,339 --> 00:55:53,930 Center once whole Civic Center in it 1176 00:56:00,910 --> 00:55:57,349 opened I want to UM believe I have this 1177 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:00,920 correctly in like 1978 and my first band 1178 00:56:05,410 --> 00:56:03,010 that played there was the Beach Boys the 1179 00:56:07,420 --> 00:56:05,420 Larry tells these stories he never 1180 00:56:09,130 --> 00:56:07,430 specifically says going salsa and 1181 00:56:11,230 --> 00:56:09,140 everybody says you know this venue in my 1182 00:56:13,329 --> 00:56:11,240 hometown well that would have been the 1183 00:56:15,460 --> 00:56:13,339 only venue in Glens Falls was one Faust 1184 00:56:19,870 --> 00:56:15,470 Glens Falls without all that big either 1185 00:56:23,970 --> 00:56:19,880 and so he talks about like oh yeah my 1186 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:23,980 buddy and I snuck in backstage because 1187 00:56:31,390 --> 00:56:27,290 the Beach Boys used the venue to 1188 00:56:35,020 --> 00:56:31,400 rehearse for like a week be prior to the 1189 00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:35,030 to the show and he claims that he got 1190 00:56:39,370 --> 00:56:37,250 hired by Dennis Wilson to be his 1191 00:56:42,430 --> 00:56:39,380 personal assistant in and this and that 1192 00:56:46,510 --> 00:56:42,440 and then he says how Dennis Wilson was 1193 00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:46,520 this tall guy six foot four well I mean 1194 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:48,770 it takes half a second to do a Google 1195 00:56:55,290 --> 00:56:50,690 search for the heights of Dennis Wilson 1196 00:56:59,710 --> 00:56:55,300 and it was something like five nine yeah 1197 00:57:03,790 --> 00:56:59,720 something like that and so there was 1198 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:03,800 another interview with Larry where they 1199 00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:05,330 asked him to said hey you know people 1200 00:57:10,450 --> 00:57:07,250 are saying you know Dennis Wilson was 1201 00:57:13,810 --> 00:57:10,460 not 64 and his response is well they 1202 00:57:16,930 --> 00:57:13,820 didn't know him and that's accepted as 1203 00:57:18,820 --> 00:57:16,940 an answer okay on to the next question 1204 00:57:22,210 --> 00:57:18,830 well that's not an answer because you 1205 00:57:24,460 --> 00:57:22,220 can't explain why if you if you do a 1206 00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:24,470 search for the guy it says he's five 1207 00:57:29,500 --> 00:57:27,680 nine why if he was six four and every 1208 00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:29,510 photograph of the Beach Boys he would 1209 00:57:36,339 --> 00:57:31,730 have been towering over everybody else 1210 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:36,349 and he's not you know so he there's the 1211 00:57:41,740 --> 00:57:39,250 problem is that people are willing to I 1212 00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:41,750 don't need any actual evidence or proof 1213 00:57:45,460 --> 00:57:44,000 that the guy's telling the truth he said 1214 00:57:46,690 --> 00:57:45,470 he knew the guy that's good enough for 1215 00:57:48,460 --> 00:57:46,700 me well 1216 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:48,470 good enough for me it didn't be good 1217 00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:52,970 enough for you I mean no same thing like 1218 00:57:59,370 --> 00:57:56,810 the Americans we really find it 1219 00:58:03,370 --> 00:57:59,380 distasteful when people lie about 9/11 1220 00:58:07,900 --> 00:58:03,380 you know so when I saw the video footage 1221 00:58:11,290 --> 00:58:07,910 of him saying oh yeah after you know 1222 00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:11,300 9/11 I hopped a plane and flew right 1223 00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:14,000 there and used my vast experience in the 1224 00:58:19,900 --> 00:58:16,610 steel industry to pull bodies from the 1225 00:58:23,980 --> 00:58:19,910 wreckage and it's like that is like in 1226 00:58:26,290 --> 00:58:23,990 America that is sacrilege man you that's 1227 00:58:28,540 --> 00:58:26,300 like that's right up there with 1228 00:58:31,450 --> 00:58:28,550 pretending you have cancer to get money 1229 00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:31,460 to get money from people I think you hit 1230 00:58:38,350 --> 00:58:34,160 on me and it's like you just don't lie 1231 00:58:40,930 --> 00:58:38,360 about 9/11 well then he actually did 1232 00:58:42,670 --> 00:58:40,940 another video because he says no you 1233 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:42,680 didn't you were here and you were in a 1234 00:58:48,070 --> 00:58:45,530 conference and he was like what these 1235 00:58:50,350 --> 00:58:48,080 people do where yeah yeah he said I was 1236 00:58:54,790 --> 00:58:50,360 with my brother-in-law when we found 1237 00:58:58,540 --> 00:58:54,800 ninth that we recovered recovered nine 1238 00:59:00,220 --> 00:58:58,550 firefighters caught in a pocket right he 1239 00:59:04,690 --> 00:59:00,230 recovered the bodies of nine 1240 00:59:07,420 --> 00:59:04,700 firefighters oh no you know I mean you 1241 00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:07,430 know and again you know where is anybody 1242 00:59:13,810 --> 00:59:11,450 asking for can you prove it yeah and all 1243 00:59:15,310 --> 00:59:13,820 of me first of all just but no and he 1244 00:59:17,050 --> 00:59:15,320 says he's got [\h__\h] offs he says he's 1245 00:59:18,190 --> 00:59:17,060 done it all but he's not gonna prove it 1246 00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:18,200 and he can all get lost 1247 00:59:21,730 --> 00:59:20,090 well we don't deserve to know we're not 1248 00:59:24,130 --> 00:59:21,740 especially now here's the thing about 1249 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:24,140 that as soon as 9/11 happened because 1250 00:59:30,130 --> 00:59:27,290 there were planes and fault they didn't 1251 00:59:36,190 --> 00:59:30,140 let any planes fly in the United States 1252 00:59:39,970 --> 00:59:36,200 at all for a period of time you know so 1253 00:59:43,150 --> 00:59:39,980 if he hopped a plane from London to New 1254 00:59:44,980 --> 00:59:43,160 York how about showing us that plane 1255 00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:44,990 ticket of the what you know the miracle 1256 00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:48,650 plane that was allowed to fly you know 1257 00:59:54,730 --> 00:59:52,370 that it just didn't happen and so when 1258 00:59:56,830 --> 00:59:54,740 was it in this vast career of his that 1259 01:00:00,690 --> 00:59:56,840 all of a sudden he was an expert in the 1260 01:00:04,740 --> 01:00:02,970 for 28 years I think he says he says 1261 01:00:08,310 --> 01:00:04,750 this in another video and that he was in 1262 01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:08,320 the Hells Angels for 28 years and no and 1263 01:00:11,850 --> 01:00:09,970 then and then when we asked him about 1264 01:00:13,590 --> 01:00:11,860 this steel industry thing he said I 1265 01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:13,600 didn't say that he said something about 1266 01:00:19,740 --> 01:00:16,210 what when he was at school he did some 1267 01:00:22,050 --> 01:00:19,750 like little mini cars or whatever 1268 01:00:24,990 --> 01:00:22,060 Carrie's exact words but basically 1269 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:25,000 another totally different story to what 1270 01:00:28,890 --> 01:00:27,370 he was saying when he was when he and 1271 01:00:31,740 --> 01:00:28,900 you know that he actually get crushed 1272 01:00:33,690 --> 01:00:31,750 that he wasn't invited to speak he heard 1273 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:33,700 that they were talking on 911 and 1274 01:00:39,300 --> 01:00:37,450 marched in shouting his mouth off as he 1275 01:00:45,210 --> 01:00:39,310 walked down to the front light and just 1276 01:00:48,930 --> 01:00:45,220 took over you know yeah I mean it to me 1277 01:00:53,700 --> 01:00:48,940 it's just important that you know he 1278 01:00:56,820 --> 01:00:53,710 would try to you know somehow you know 1279 01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:56,830 take advantage of that event United 1280 01:01:01,410 --> 01:00:58,480 States that's just not done he what's 1281 01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:01,420 people to think of him as an open hero 1282 01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:05,680 and you know the air boss ex vet he was 1283 01:01:10,740 --> 01:01:07,510 in the Air Force from the very first 1284 01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:10,750 days training service for 134 days for 1285 01:01:16,140 --> 01:01:13,330 God's sake that is not a career in the 1286 01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:16,150 film that build him as retired yeah I'm 1287 01:01:23,250 --> 01:01:16,690 tired 1288 01:01:26,030 --> 01:01:23,260 thing that um I when I you know trying 1289 01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:26,040 to figure out what his story is 1290 01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:28,480 and and again and you know all you got 1291 01:01:34,530 --> 01:01:30,250 to do is look at the stuff that you can 1292 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:34,540 verify was true that there's no doubt he 1293 01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:36,730 did go in the service and when he went 1294 01:01:43,970 --> 01:01:38,880 in the service and that would have been 1295 01:01:47,250 --> 01:01:43,980 1980 he's 18 years old 1296 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:47,260 and the fact that he didn't last a year 1297 01:01:54,180 --> 01:01:50,650 I mean I can tell you again as someone 1298 01:01:55,620 --> 01:01:54,190 who grew up in the United States they 1299 01:02:00,080 --> 01:01:55,630 don't kick you out of service for 1300 01:02:02,190 --> 01:02:00,090 nothing you know and they don't want no 1301 01:02:04,290 --> 01:02:02,200 cafeteria is what you signed up done 1302 01:02:09,090 --> 01:02:04,300 there yeah now's the bait you have to be 1303 01:02:11,660 --> 01:02:09,100 either snapped I mean oh no our services 1304 01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:11,670 is voluntary 1305 01:02:15,980 --> 01:02:13,440 so they're always trying to recruit 1306 01:02:18,349 --> 01:02:15,990 people so once they got you signed on 1307 01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:18,359 the dotted line they're not going to 1308 01:02:22,180 --> 01:02:21,450 boot you out unless they absolutely have 1309 01:02:26,270 --> 01:02:22,190 to 1310 01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:26,280 so if he was such an amazing officer and 1311 01:02:30,859 --> 01:02:28,290 it was an officer he was you know just 1312 01:02:33,799 --> 01:02:30,869 an enlisted guy security specialist 1313 01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:33,809 right he wouldn't have been booted out 1314 01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:37,250 for nothing he had to have been either 1315 01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:39,690 you know there must have been he or did 1316 01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:43,609 something really wrong that you know or 1317 01:02:51,490 --> 01:02:46,770 they found him to be have some kind of 1318 01:02:55,370 --> 01:02:51,500 mental defect or physical defect a 1319 01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:55,380 constant but behavior drugs is one thing 1320 01:03:00,410 --> 01:02:58,079 they'll get you take well it it might I 1321 01:03:03,530 --> 01:03:00,420 mean but you would you would most likely 1322 01:03:05,870 --> 01:03:03,540 be punished I would think there would be 1323 01:03:08,410 --> 01:03:05,880 some kind of indication that he was I 1324 01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:08,420 mean the service does have their own 1325 01:03:13,730 --> 01:03:11,010 they have their own court they have 1326 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:13,740 their own you know the stockade or 1327 01:03:18,289 --> 01:03:16,770 whatever I mean if if you did something 1328 01:03:20,660 --> 01:03:18,299 like that in the service you would be 1329 01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:20,670 punished in the service you wouldn't 1330 01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:25,440 necessarily be kicked out you know you 1331 01:03:30,319 --> 01:03:26,970 know but the most like I say the most 1332 01:03:32,569 --> 01:03:30,329 common reason that they they boot you 1333 01:03:34,940 --> 01:03:32,579 out of the service is that you've got 1334 01:03:38,829 --> 01:03:34,950 some kind of physical problem or a 1335 01:03:41,089 --> 01:03:38,839 sickness or something like that you know 1336 01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:41,099 it's a complaining they had a problem 1337 01:03:46,430 --> 01:03:43,410 with his wrist and he went to see an 1338 01:03:49,730 --> 01:03:46,440 orthopedic dropped her on Lakenheath dr. 1339 01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:49,740 Eccles and he has this piece of evidence 1340 01:03:54,530 --> 01:03:51,930 that he says he's evidence anyway and 1341 01:03:56,450 --> 01:03:54,540 it's a medical sheet which the original 1342 01:03:58,039 --> 01:03:56,460 has actually been tip xed whatever it 1343 01:04:00,470 --> 01:03:58,049 said before has been tipped over and 1344 01:04:04,039 --> 01:04:00,480 it's a ret burn and he's hope that we 1345 01:04:06,589 --> 01:04:04,049 would mistake you know a bone doctor for 1346 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:06,599 an eye doctor so you've got orthopedics 1347 01:04:20,930 --> 01:04:18,740 basically he's he was whining about a 1348 01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:20,940 problem with his wrist to one of the 1349 01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:23,760 other servicemen that remembers this and 1350 01:04:29,470 --> 01:04:27,119 so that would be the to my mind 1351 01:04:31,580 --> 01:04:29,480 how would that disability come about 1352 01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:31,590 well I'm only trying to find a weapon 1353 01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:34,770 and Korean right I can't do it it's my 1354 01:04:39,470 --> 01:04:35,280 wrist 1355 01:04:42,050 --> 01:04:39,480 nah I'm rubbish I'll practice I mean you 1356 01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:42,060 know I mean I I know certain you know 1357 01:04:47,030 --> 01:04:44,250 like I know I know someone that enlisted 1358 01:04:49,580 --> 01:04:47,040 and got booted out because they messed 1359 01:04:52,099 --> 01:04:49,590 you know they injured their knee badly 1360 01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:52,109 enough that you know they were like yeah 1361 01:04:56,090 --> 01:04:54,450 this you know we don't want you anymore 1362 01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:56,100 because you're here you know if we had 1363 01:05:01,840 --> 01:04:57,930 to put you out in combat your you know 1364 01:05:04,310 --> 01:05:01,850 your knees is like ruined you know when 1365 01:05:07,010 --> 01:05:04,320 you know when Vietnam was happening I 1366 01:05:09,410 --> 01:05:07,020 have older brothers that were old enough 1367 01:05:13,700 --> 01:05:09,420 to have been drafted and I have one 1368 01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:13,710 brother that you know is epileptic you 1369 01:05:16,700 --> 01:05:15,690 know would have grand mal seizures they 1370 01:05:18,590 --> 01:05:16,710 wouldn't have touched him with a 1371 01:05:21,020 --> 01:05:18,600 ten-foot pole because they don't want to 1372 01:05:23,060 --> 01:05:21,030 put somebody out in the field in combat 1373 01:05:24,620 --> 01:05:23,070 that they can't guarantee they're going 1374 01:05:26,060 --> 01:05:24,630 to get your medication to you and then 1375 01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:26,070 you're going to be having seizures in 1376 01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:28,530 the middle of a you know a firefight or 1377 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:30,000 something you know what I mean they 1378 01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:31,290 don't want people flat feet they don't 1379 01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:33,050 want people with bad backs you know and 1380 01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:35,490 they don't want people would have some 1381 01:05:42,710 --> 01:05:39,690 kind of mental health issue well there 1382 01:05:45,020 --> 01:05:42,720 was a gentleman who was a military 1383 01:05:47,830 --> 01:05:45,030 career man who was in the forties for 30 1384 01:05:50,450 --> 01:05:47,840 odd years and he said that is in this is 1385 01:05:53,420 --> 01:05:50,460 discharge code was due to too far which 1386 01:05:56,599 --> 01:05:53,430 is an unsuitable and usually means glide 1387 01:06:00,140 --> 01:05:56,609 on the enlistment papers so he didn't do 1388 01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:00,150 well at school so maybe he's lied about 1389 01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:02,970 what qualifications he expected to 1390 01:06:09,980 --> 01:06:06,930 receive etc but undesirable or 1391 01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:09,990 unsuitable right is the discharge code 1392 01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:15,119 right he says it doesn't exist and most 1393 01:06:19,849 --> 01:06:17,970 people didn't check right right I mean 1394 01:06:24,349 --> 01:06:19,859 you know but there's going you know back 1395 01:06:27,500 --> 01:06:24,359 to you know Larry's past I mean so much 1396 01:06:30,530 --> 01:06:27,510 of it is just vague and there's you know 1397 01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:30,540 there doesn't seem to be he doesn't 1398 01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:33,210 provide an a scintilla of actual 1399 01:06:37,550 --> 01:06:36,570 physical I mean photos that clearly look 1400 01:06:40,010 --> 01:06:37,560 doctored like 1401 01:06:43,700 --> 01:06:40,020 back on the the the Stevie Ray Vaughn 1402 01:06:45,590 --> 01:06:43,710 guitar the you said oh there's a 1403 01:06:47,260 --> 01:06:45,600 photograph of him wearing the jacket and 1404 01:06:50,540 --> 01:06:47,270 Stevie and Stevie's holding the guitar 1405 01:06:53,870 --> 01:06:50,550 I've seen that photo and I hope you have 1406 01:06:59,840 --> 01:06:53,880 a copy of it because anybody looking at 1407 01:07:04,130 --> 01:06:59,850 that would go wow yeah weird angle and 1408 01:07:09,050 --> 01:07:04,140 it's also clearly dropped in there 1409 01:07:12,290 --> 01:07:09,060 because it the size of the guitar would 1410 01:07:15,460 --> 01:07:12,300 make Stevie Ray Vaughn a giant because I 1411 01:07:18,410 --> 01:07:15,470 mean the guitar looks it looks too small 1412 01:07:21,980 --> 01:07:18,420 also is but it's just a bit where the 1413 01:07:23,540 --> 01:07:21,990 signature is this see yeah yeah I mean 1414 01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:23,550 it's like that's the size of the actual 1415 01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:26,370 guitar that he's holding is way too 1416 01:07:37,310 --> 01:07:31,650 small for reality how cuz Stevie Ray 1417 01:07:40,190 --> 01:07:37,320 Vaughan's not a big guy he's smaller 1418 01:07:43,370 --> 01:07:40,200 than me I'm sure yeah I mean a 1419 01:07:45,110 --> 01:07:43,380 Stratocaster would look fairly big on 1420 01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:45,120 him in that photo it's the exact 1421 01:07:52,190 --> 01:07:48,480 opposite and looks too small and it's at 1422 01:07:55,580 --> 01:07:52,200 this weird angle so you know and then I 1423 01:07:58,190 --> 01:07:55,590 believe you also found images online 1424 01:08:00,320 --> 01:07:58,200 where you could see that like oh yeah 1425 01:08:03,470 --> 01:08:00,330 here's the original photo of Stevie Ray 1426 01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:03,480 Vaughn where he's you know the face is 1427 01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:06,090 exactly you could drop it right on there 1428 01:08:12,020 --> 01:08:08,610 and you go oh my god it's the same the 1429 01:08:14,570 --> 01:08:12,030 same body position the same face like 1430 01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:14,580 you know what I mean the odds of you 1431 01:08:18,980 --> 01:08:17,130 taking a photograph of somebody and then 1432 01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:18,990 being so identical that you could 1433 01:08:24,260 --> 01:08:22,319 interchange to them is it's impossible 1434 01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:24,270 they would never be an exact same pose 1435 01:08:32,539 --> 01:08:29,850 like so you know again it where I'm 1436 01:08:36,020 --> 01:08:32,549 going with that is like you know if he 1437 01:08:39,140 --> 01:08:36,030 worked as a bodyguard son if he actually 1438 01:08:42,410 --> 01:08:39,150 worked at fur production company if he 1439 01:08:46,190 --> 01:08:42,420 worked in the steel industry there would 1440 01:08:49,370 --> 01:08:46,200 be financial records you know there 1441 01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:49,380 would be tax forms there would be things 1442 01:08:52,970 --> 01:08:51,600 you know there would be pace 1443 01:08:56,660 --> 01:08:52,980 there would be something that proved 1444 01:09:02,780 --> 01:08:56,670 that he actually worked for this person 1445 01:09:04,610 --> 01:09:02,790 or that person yeah I mean it just again 1446 01:09:07,460 --> 01:09:04,620 and also a few worked in all these 1447 01:09:11,660 --> 01:09:07,470 industries and you were such a big mover 1448 01:09:14,450 --> 01:09:11,670 and a shaker you would have vast sums of 1449 01:09:16,790 --> 01:09:14,460 money the whole time 1450 01:09:19,340 --> 01:09:16,800 that Larry was here in Vermont and we're 1451 01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:19,350 talking it was at least ten years a 1452 01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:23,460 decade he never owned a house never 1453 01:09:29,330 --> 01:09:26,640 owned the car never even lived on it 1454 01:09:33,260 --> 01:09:29,340 always lived with somebody else as a 1455 01:09:36,740 --> 01:09:33,270 roommate I mean it just doesn't make 1456 01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:36,750 sense that you know somebody at that and 1457 01:09:41,150 --> 01:09:38,880 first of all if you were mover and a 1458 01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:41,160 shaker in the music industry why would 1459 01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:43,610 you be living in Rutland rock population 1460 01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:48,480 17,000 you wouldn't if you remember it 1461 01:09:54,350 --> 01:09:50,400 being expert why would you be living on 1462 01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:54,360 my side I mean and nobody stops and ask 1463 01:09:59,300 --> 01:09:57,090 these questions because they just go 1464 01:10:03,020 --> 01:09:59,310 well Larry says it's true so it it must 1465 01:10:05,060 --> 01:10:03,030 be true and Sasha is a crazy lady so it 1466 01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:05,070 must be Jed well any on the same thing 1467 01:10:10,700 --> 01:10:08,130 with me when he was here I was the bad 1468 01:10:12,380 --> 01:10:10,710 guy because I started saying hey people 1469 01:10:15,940 --> 01:10:12,390 use your head listen to what he's saying 1470 01:10:20,300 --> 01:10:15,950 like that is too fantastical to be true 1471 01:10:22,670 --> 01:10:20,310 I mean I I could recount numerous things 1472 01:10:25,490 --> 01:10:22,680 that were like you know I was in a 1473 01:10:27,650 --> 01:10:25,500 friend of mine that I've known you know 1474 01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:27,660 since I was like 13 years old 1475 01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:30,450 and you know he's also a full time 1476 01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:33,090 professional musician and you know his 1477 01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:35,130 musical hero was Frank Zappa 1478 01:10:40,580 --> 01:10:37,530 well then all of a sudden is you know as 1479 01:10:43,310 --> 01:10:40,590 soon as Larry picked up on that yeah oh 1480 01:10:48,020 --> 01:10:43,320 yeah I knew Frank Zappa and I went and I 1481 01:10:50,060 --> 01:10:48,030 visited him on his death back yeah yes 1482 01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:50,070 you know I mean it's just too 1483 01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,690 fantastical to be believed I know that 1484 01:10:58,610 --> 01:10:56,640 he gave a leather jacket to somebody and 1485 01:11:01,430 --> 01:10:58,620 said that it was from Sid Vicious and 1486 01:11:04,010 --> 01:11:01,440 this woman she was very very poorly I'm 1487 01:11:04,970 --> 01:11:04,020 going to a hospital all the time and she 1488 01:11:06,770 --> 01:11:04,980 wore this Jack 1489 01:11:09,530 --> 01:11:06,780 I don't wanna say who it is but she wore 1490 01:11:12,020 --> 01:11:09,540 this jacket as she was dying and it was 1491 01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:12,030 her like her security blanket and her 1492 01:11:17,870 --> 01:11:14,400 you know special item that made her feel 1493 01:11:21,140 --> 01:11:17,880 you know connected to someone who was 1494 01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:21,150 her idol you know from an era of music 1495 01:11:26,180 --> 01:11:23,130 that she really loved and it was alive 1496 01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:26,190 right you know excuse me I would defy 1497 01:11:32,770 --> 01:11:28,770 somebody to come up with that jacket to 1498 01:11:35,810 --> 01:11:32,780 find out where the actual jacket was 1499 01:11:37,730 --> 01:11:35,820 mm-hmm you know but exactly he figures 1500 01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:37,740 out what people are into and then plays 1501 01:11:41,570 --> 01:11:39,840 up to that you know like I said with me 1502 01:11:43,670 --> 01:11:41,580 it was very obvious I was in the Stevie 1503 01:11:46,100 --> 01:11:43,680 Ray Vaughn and Hendrix so he played up 1504 01:11:50,450 --> 01:11:46,110 to that with my buddy it was Frank Zappa 1505 01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:50,460 he played up to that you know it was 1506 01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:51,810 another friend that you had it was a 1507 01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:53,730 clock there wasn't any place yeah oh 1508 01:11:59,330 --> 01:11:56,730 yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah 1509 01:12:00,980 --> 01:11:59,340 gave him the autographed Eric Clapton 1510 01:12:03,980 --> 01:12:00,990 picture that was also in the same 1511 01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:03,990 handwriting as mice you know my Larry 1512 01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:07,530 letter and you know talking about you 1513 01:12:13,850 --> 01:12:09,450 know how he and Larry were fishing 1514 01:12:17,390 --> 01:12:13,860 buddies and you know you know was just 1515 01:12:19,670 --> 01:12:17,400 one one thing after after another which 1516 01:12:24,340 --> 01:12:19,680 goes to the person who originally homie 1517 01:12:29,540 --> 01:12:24,350 about your podcast was a was somebody 1518 01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:29,550 who who started you know selling items 1519 01:12:36,410 --> 01:12:33,170 on eBay you know very very early days 1520 01:12:38,810 --> 01:12:36,420 and uh at one point contacted me and 1521 01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:38,820 said hey I know you've got problems with 1522 01:12:42,410 --> 01:12:40,320 this guy Larry this would have been in 1523 01:12:48,460 --> 01:12:42,420 like the I'm gonna guess somewhere 1524 01:12:51,770 --> 01:12:48,470 around 90 somewhere between 97 and 99 1525 01:12:53,330 --> 01:12:51,780 somewhere in there and he said you know 1526 01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:53,340 hey I know you got problems with this 1527 01:12:59,900 --> 01:12:57,330 guy Larry but I'm kind of curious why 1528 01:13:04,280 --> 01:12:59,910 because he's asked me to sell items for 1529 01:13:08,030 --> 01:13:04,290 him online so I I went and I met with 1530 01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:08,040 this guy and I you know and I you know 1531 01:13:13,490 --> 01:13:10,800 he showed me these items in there was 1532 01:13:15,980 --> 01:13:13,500 like three items that Larry had asked 1533 01:13:18,830 --> 01:13:15,990 him to sell one was a Stratocaster pick 1534 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:18,840 guard sign Burton 1535 01:13:27,020 --> 01:13:23,010 one was a copy of Pink Floyd metal 1536 01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:27,030 allegedly signed by Roger Waters and I 1537 01:13:30,050 --> 01:13:28,650 don't recall the third item it might 1538 01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:30,060 have been a Stevie Ray Vaughn item 1539 01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:33,570 perhaps I looked at the three items I 1540 01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:37,410 said I'm not going to say anything I'm 1541 01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:39,840 just gonna come back tomorrow with some 1542 01:13:45,890 --> 01:13:43,530 things for you to look at and I went 1543 01:13:50,330 --> 01:13:45,900 back the next day with my handwritten 1544 01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:50,340 letter my a couple of autographs 1545 01:13:56,660 --> 01:13:53,760 photographs and the Rene Martinez letter 1546 01:13:59,060 --> 01:13:56,670 and you know all the things that I had 1547 01:14:03,290 --> 01:13:59,070 hoarded for the previous like seven or 1548 01:14:07,370 --> 01:14:03,300 nine years and showed it to him and the 1549 01:14:09,470 --> 01:14:07,380 country action without me saying word he 1550 01:14:12,110 --> 01:14:09,480 said I got to sit down I think I'm gonna 1551 01:14:16,250 --> 01:14:12,120 be sick because it was so blatantly the 1552 01:14:19,190 --> 01:14:16,260 same handwriting and he said I have to 1553 01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:19,200 stop these auctions I can't be selling 1554 01:14:26,270 --> 01:14:24,450 this stuff so he later told me that even 1555 01:14:29,090 --> 01:14:26,280 when he tried when he stopped the 1556 01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:29,100 options this guy because he said I have 1557 01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:31,650 a guy for me like $200 for this Clapton 1558 01:14:37,130 --> 01:14:35,490 skirt that clearly so when he told me 1559 01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:37,140 when I told that guy I was stopping the 1560 01:14:41,090 --> 01:14:38,880 auction the guy was still trying to 1561 01:14:43,700 --> 01:14:41,100 offer him money for it even when he's 1562 01:14:47,060 --> 01:14:43,710 telling him I really believe this is a 1563 01:14:49,460 --> 01:14:47,070 forgery well that's how kind of nutso 1564 01:14:51,380 --> 01:14:49,470 people are out there about all this 1565 01:14:54,050 --> 01:14:51,390 stuff and what's kind of really shameful 1566 01:14:57,170 --> 01:14:54,060 is that the industry doesn't really seem 1567 01:15:00,080 --> 01:14:57,180 to be policing itself in any way you 1568 01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:00,090 know that okay that's all I mean when 1569 01:15:06,890 --> 01:15:02,970 over here you see auctions where Larry 1570 01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:06,900 has dubbed himself an official you know 1571 01:15:11,570 --> 01:15:10,080 Beatles Authenticator you know 1572 01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:11,580 apparently you don't have to go to 1573 01:15:15,710 --> 01:15:13,770 school to get it to get a degree or be 1574 01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:15,720 declared you know an official 1575 01:15:21,230 --> 01:15:17,610 Authenticator of Beatles memorabilia you 1576 01:15:22,850 --> 01:15:21,240 just say it and Brit well actually when 1577 01:15:24,580 --> 01:15:22,860 we challenged him on that is that he was 1578 01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:24,590 taught by the FBI 1579 01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:28,410 really so yeah yeah yeah so what other 1580 01:15:32,060 --> 01:15:30,090 point was involved in you know like 1581 01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:32,070 checking all these facts 1582 01:15:38,540 --> 01:15:34,890 got it such as the FBI so don't do Casas 1583 01:15:41,060 --> 01:15:38,550 for the public and handwriting and even 1584 01:15:43,730 --> 01:15:41,070 if they did they wouldn't do a course in 1585 01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:43,740 which they would teach people how to 1586 01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:46,290 forge signatures it would be teaching 1587 01:15:50,690 --> 01:15:48,480 them how to discover that they were 1588 01:15:54,230 --> 01:15:50,700 forged because he'd actually written 1589 01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:54,240 them Jimi Hendrix signature in lipstick 1590 01:15:59,420 --> 01:15:56,610 on the side of the UFO monument in 1591 01:16:03,440 --> 01:15:59,430 Rendlesham forest in the park at the 1592 01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:03,450 campsite but and it was absolutely 1593 01:16:07,850 --> 01:16:05,970 perfect Jimi Hendrix it was like there's 1594 01:16:11,390 --> 01:16:07,860 Jimi's and there's like and he's done 1595 01:16:14,300 --> 01:16:11,400 that freehand lipstick in one girl right 1596 01:16:16,340 --> 01:16:14,310 big not like a little signature he has 1597 01:16:18,620 --> 01:16:16,350 done that so many times he can do it any 1598 01:16:20,330 --> 01:16:18,630 size whatever so when we said how come 1599 01:16:24,230 --> 01:16:20,340 he got it so accurate he said because 1600 01:16:26,570 --> 01:16:24,240 the FBI talked about a foot what they 1601 01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:26,580 taught you how to Farsi Richard know 1602 01:16:30,860 --> 01:16:29,250 this all of the other incredible skills 1603 01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:30,870 and you know work on all these different 1604 01:16:37,550 --> 01:16:33,210 industries he's also worked with the FBI 1605 01:16:41,210 --> 01:16:37,560 - Wow yep yeah what would the FBI I'm 1606 01:16:44,900 --> 01:16:41,220 learning how to be a offense occator of 1607 01:16:47,030 --> 01:16:44,910 signatures yeah right but they say the 1608 01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:47,040 thing is he also said that he was in the 1609 01:16:50,810 --> 01:16:48,810 house in France right and there's ronnie 1610 01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:50,820 Dugdale point you don't last week my 1611 01:16:53,750 --> 01:16:52,410 sure that there are a couple of 1612 01:16:55,100 --> 01:16:53,760 requirements or the cat even believe 1613 01:16:57,740 --> 01:16:55,110 that I did this doesn't occur to me 1614 01:16:59,900 --> 01:16:57,750 because I do know this that if you have 1615 01:17:01,730 --> 01:16:59,910 ever been a police officer I've been 1616 01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:01,740 involved in the police in any way shape 1617 01:17:07,790 --> 01:17:03,450 or form you could never be a Hells Angel 1618 01:17:10,130 --> 01:17:07,800 and he was to Garris so they would never 1619 01:17:11,990 --> 01:17:10,140 have them if it works with the FBI there 1620 01:17:13,970 --> 01:17:12,000 would never have him and in fact they 1621 01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:13,980 didn't have him and that was a lie as 1622 01:17:19,970 --> 01:17:18,090 well and he's in a show with them I 1623 01:17:23,630 --> 01:17:19,980 think it's top secret remember 1624 01:17:26,210 --> 01:17:23,640 Christina Jovi and Joe Montel dole if 1625 01:17:28,670 --> 01:17:26,220 you go if you put that into YouTube top 1626 01:17:30,890 --> 01:17:28,680 secret I can't remember that the full 1627 01:17:33,310 --> 01:17:30,900 name of a shell he's absolutely out of 1628 01:17:37,370 --> 01:17:33,320 his mind 1629 01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:37,380 brother other words for the hour at the 1630 01:17:42,530 --> 01:17:40,050 fame and I'll and I actually he has 1631 01:17:45,979 --> 01:17:42,540 become more American the longer he lives 1632 01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:45,989 in England the stronger relaxing 1633 01:17:53,970 --> 01:17:50,650 you know so you know with the fame and 1634 01:17:56,729 --> 01:17:53,980 all this what Fame is not famous it was 1635 01:17:58,350 --> 01:17:56,739 he famous to like where all the massive 1636 01:18:01,140 --> 01:17:58,360 bunch of weirdoes looking at the sky you 1637 01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:01,150 know I mean like alright so nice people 1638 01:18:05,820 --> 01:18:03,610 but he's a bit everywhere subject but 1639 01:18:08,910 --> 01:18:05,830 not everybody what has a clue about 1640 01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:08,920 Roswell you don't mean if said that was 1641 01:18:12,510 --> 01:18:10,330 the biggest incident and the most 1642 01:18:14,729 --> 01:18:12,520 commonly known I know lots of people 1643 01:18:17,070 --> 01:18:14,739 that have heard of Roswell right so it's 1644 01:18:18,030 --> 01:18:17,080 not like the whole world is looking he's 1645 01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:18,040 not famous 1646 01:18:22,020 --> 01:18:20,050 he's famous to a bunch of weirdos maybe 1647 01:18:24,030 --> 01:18:22,030 but for all the wrong reasons alone oh 1648 01:18:27,030 --> 01:18:24,040 well I'm just that I mean there's that 1649 01:18:29,700 --> 01:18:27,040 great clip where he's talking about 9/11 1650 01:18:32,209 --> 01:18:29,710 and the whole time he's talking in this 1651 01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:32,219 like he's trying to do like a Brooklyn 1652 01:18:36,900 --> 01:18:34,810 accent Brooklyn New York accent and 1653 01:18:39,900 --> 01:18:36,910 talking about growing up and Brooklyn or 1654 01:18:43,500 --> 01:18:39,910 you know and it brung ya well which is 1655 01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:43,510 funny because it's like he's provided 1656 01:18:47,550 --> 01:18:45,370 evidence himself that he grew up in 1657 01:18:49,229 --> 01:18:47,560 Queens berry New York his mom lived in 1658 01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:49,239 Queens berry New York he showed that 1659 01:18:56,940 --> 01:18:51,010 letter that had her actual street 1660 01:18:59,090 --> 01:18:56,950 address right on it you know you know I 1661 01:19:02,090 --> 01:18:59,100 mean it just boggles mine that like 1662 01:19:04,890 --> 01:19:02,100 trust me there is no New York accent in 1663 01:19:08,070 --> 01:19:04,900 Queensberry New York you know I mean 1664 01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:08,080 it's pretty far upstate the fact that he 1665 01:19:12,660 --> 01:19:10,239 adopted this accent it was like I've 1666 01:19:14,490 --> 01:19:12,670 never heard the guy talk like that even 1667 01:19:16,350 --> 01:19:14,500 in any other thing you can find on 1668 01:19:18,030 --> 01:19:16,360 youtube with him talking he doesn't talk 1669 01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:18,040 like that but this one thing where he's 1670 01:19:22,380 --> 01:19:20,560 talking about you know oh and I flew 1671 01:19:24,150 --> 01:19:22,390 down the new you know New York to help 1672 01:19:27,150 --> 01:19:24,160 pull bodies out of the wreckage you're 1673 01:19:30,330 --> 01:19:27,160 like where did this accent come from you 1674 01:19:32,340 --> 01:19:30,340 know and nobody calls him on it nobody 1675 01:19:41,310 --> 01:19:32,350 goes hey what are you having a stroke or 1676 01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:41,320 something what's going on you know you 1677 01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:44,560 know so I mean so well if it is like he 1678 01:19:49,050 --> 01:19:46,690 says he's there it was in the steel 1679 01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:49,060 industry he was in the other ladies in 1680 01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:51,130 the Hells Angels for 28 years it says in 1681 01:19:55,500 --> 01:19:53,440 one of his videos so in that in that 1682 01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:55,510 christinageorge video that he says that 1683 01:20:00,589 --> 01:19:57,840 he was the PA to the Beach Boys 1684 01:20:02,959 --> 01:20:00,599 the rest of it if flushes is the Hells 1685 01:20:05,450 --> 01:20:02,969 Angels patches those lanes will get to 1686 01:20:08,570 --> 01:20:05,460 see it and then they go around slap him 1687 01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:08,580 about a bit and take the rope him so go 1688 01:20:14,689 --> 01:20:11,730 on ask him everybody ask him when you if 1689 01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:14,699 I'm a deluded lunatic ask him about the 1690 01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:17,250 Hells Angels yeah here's another thing 1691 01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:19,170 about this that like if you were held 1692 01:20:25,550 --> 01:20:23,489 angel you'd have a motorcycle I mean the 1693 01:20:28,879 --> 01:20:25,560 whole time that I knew Larry like I said 1694 01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:28,889 he never had a car he definitely didn't 1695 01:20:33,890 --> 01:20:31,650 have a motorcycle and in the handwritten 1696 01:20:37,450 --> 01:20:33,900 letter that he wrote me if he was 1697 01:20:39,979 --> 01:20:37,460 actually a biker he wouldn't say 1698 01:20:47,390 --> 01:20:39,989 hey maybe you could introduce me to that 1699 01:20:51,260 --> 01:20:47,400 girl who thinks I'm a biker oh yeah I 1700 01:20:53,540 --> 01:20:51,270 got the idea from you know this is in 1701 01:20:55,580 --> 01:20:53,550 your letter isn't it yeah you know Wow 1702 01:20:59,780 --> 01:20:55,590 she wouldn't have to think he was a 1703 01:21:03,320 --> 01:20:59,790 biker if he was a biker and again if you 1704 01:21:06,919 --> 01:21:03,330 were a biker you don't a motorcycle he 1705 01:21:10,669 --> 01:21:06,929 you'd also have stories about you bike 1706 01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:10,679 rides coming off yet the best dress she 1707 01:21:17,450 --> 01:21:14,130 wears trace some idiot kneeling up she 1708 01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:17,460 wore how far down you got on you oh yeah 1709 01:21:22,399 --> 01:21:20,400 you know and watching your kneecap pad 1710 01:21:25,070 --> 01:21:22,409 she rubbed off on the road go around 1711 01:21:28,250 --> 01:21:25,080 around all of those things like I know 1712 01:21:31,129 --> 01:21:28,260 bikers I was one and you know I mean I 1713 01:21:34,490 --> 01:21:31,139 know we all have these stories and we 1714 01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:34,500 all have photos of our bikes even from 1715 01:21:37,790 --> 01:21:36,719 like a billion years ago Spratly old 1716 01:21:40,370 --> 01:21:37,800 felt were in the pile 1717 01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:40,380 and seen as Larry likes to kind of like 1718 01:21:44,750 --> 01:21:42,480 queer albums of taking photographs of 1719 01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:44,760 photographs he would have had some bikes 1720 01:21:49,939 --> 01:21:46,770 in all of those photos that 11 days 1721 01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:49,949 laptop there was none at all we we're a 1722 01:21:55,100 --> 01:21:53,040 I like a short time tumbled it down the 1723 01:21:57,859 --> 01:21:55,110 road one time and went I'm not really 1724 01:22:04,310 --> 01:21:57,869 cut out for this and sold it you know 1725 01:22:05,660 --> 01:22:04,320 had it and that bike you know and and 1726 01:22:08,570 --> 01:22:05,670 then we're talking I didn't have it for 1727 01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:08,580 long no maybe like a year or so you know 1728 01:22:11,570 --> 01:22:10,320 year and a half or whatever but I got 1729 01:22:14,300 --> 01:22:11,580 pictures 1730 01:22:19,220 --> 01:22:14,310 yeah so yeah and like I said the fact 1731 01:22:22,370 --> 01:22:19,230 that I can you know swear to God in the 1732 01:22:25,010 --> 01:22:22,380 10 or 11 years that he yeah it was 1733 01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:25,020 probably close to 10 I'd say I think he 1734 01:22:30,440 --> 01:22:28,130 came around here so what I say 93 and 1735 01:22:32,150 --> 01:22:30,450 I'm not sure when he moved to England so 1736 01:22:33,980 --> 01:22:32,160 maybe he wasn't quite here in Vermont 1737 01:22:38,300 --> 01:22:33,990 ten years but it was it was pretty close 1738 01:22:41,540 --> 01:22:38,310 to 10 years never never owned any kind 1739 01:22:43,130 --> 01:22:41,550 of a vehicle not even a bicycle nothing 1740 01:22:46,100 --> 01:22:43,140 I've never known him ever bike I've 1741 01:22:48,620 --> 01:22:46,110 never known him have a car and one time 1742 01:22:52,820 --> 01:22:48,630 when me and my friend Sarah can see him 1743 01:22:55,250 --> 01:22:52,830 and we kept seemingly polies took us to 1744 01:22:57,860 --> 01:22:55,260 this bar he's where all the Hells Angels 1745 01:22:59,270 --> 01:22:57,870 hung out and he said I think he at that 1746 01:23:02,420 --> 01:22:59,280 time he was telling us he was a Hells 1747 01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:02,430 Angel and I said - unless you bike and 1748 01:23:05,420 --> 01:23:03,840 that oh it's a lot to put the buckets 1749 01:23:07,820 --> 01:23:05,430 off-road at the moment so he lied that 1750 01:23:11,930 --> 01:23:07,830 pablum paid it and that's a requirement 1751 01:23:13,820 --> 01:23:11,940 I mean right well I mean and that's kind 1752 01:23:15,740 --> 01:23:13,830 of going back to your original point 1753 01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:15,750 which how does this connect to 1754 01:23:23,660 --> 01:23:18,810 Rendlesham forest which is that in both 1755 01:23:26,420 --> 01:23:23,670 cases his his life that story that he 1756 01:23:29,390 --> 01:23:26,430 tells and also the story of his 1757 01:23:33,130 --> 01:23:29,400 involvement in Rendlesham as soon as you 1758 01:23:36,380 --> 01:23:33,140 start pulling on the thread of his story 1759 01:23:40,630 --> 01:23:36,390 the entire thing begins to unravel as 1760 01:23:43,250 --> 01:23:40,640 nothing but a complete pile of lies and 1761 01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:43,260 what I don't understand how people can't 1762 01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:46,050 make connection is that if the guy is 1763 01:23:54,710 --> 01:23:51,690 willing to lie and try and steal from 1764 01:23:57,110 --> 01:23:54,720 people you know selling them merchandise 1765 01:24:00,380 --> 01:23:57,120 or the large sums of money that you I 1766 01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:00,390 mean really when you look at the the 1767 01:24:06,050 --> 01:24:02,850 proof you look at the the ever-changing 1768 01:24:07,940 --> 01:24:06,060 stories and just the stories are like it 1769 01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:07,950 definitely did not happen that you can 1770 01:24:13,250 --> 01:24:10,410 prove didn't happen and the fact that he 1771 01:24:15,020 --> 01:24:13,260 never provides any kind of actual proof 1772 01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:15,030 of anything that he's saying but you 1773 01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:19,370 start to realize that he is a 1774 01:24:25,510 --> 01:24:24,210 sociopathic liar and if he's gonna lie 1775 01:24:28,820 --> 01:24:25,520 about 1776 01:24:29,450 --> 01:24:28,830 memorabilia and what he's done in his 1777 01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:29,460 life 1778 01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:32,850 why wouldn't he lie about Randall 1779 01:24:40,660 --> 01:24:36,960 children and in fact that's the perfect 1780 01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:40,670 thing for him to lie about I saw a UFO 1781 01:24:45,860 --> 01:24:42,960 there's no video of it there's no 1782 01:24:47,810 --> 01:24:45,870 photographs of it it's a perfect train 1783 01:24:49,990 --> 01:24:47,820 because it's not like he can provide any 1784 01:24:53,390 --> 01:24:50,000 proof that he did that happened either 1785 01:24:55,340 --> 01:24:53,400 but he has these provided proof he's got 1786 01:24:57,470 --> 01:24:55,350 the thing that nobody else he says these 1787 01:24:58,939 --> 01:24:57,480 taken photographs of the phenomena first 1788 01:25:00,649 --> 01:24:58,949 of all he said it was a guy called mark 1789 01:25:02,660 --> 01:25:00,659 R Mike I can never get it right which 1790 01:25:03,860 --> 01:25:02,670 one he uses it's Ronnie told me last 1791 01:25:08,660 --> 01:25:03,870 week but it's gotten at me ed again 1792 01:25:10,700 --> 01:25:08,670 so mark the accountant or Mike and he 1793 01:25:12,890 --> 01:25:10,710 took these photos gave them to Larry who 1794 01:25:14,780 --> 01:25:12,900 held on for 19 years as his ace in the 1795 01:25:15,919 --> 01:25:14,790 hole to convince everybody well why did 1796 01:25:17,540 --> 01:25:15,929 you just give him to the people in the 1797 01:25:20,810 --> 01:25:17,550 first place of convince everyone and 1798 01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:20,820 then so he gave him to Giorgio Bruni who 1799 01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:23,130 said Oh brilliant I'll accept that and 1800 01:25:27,919 --> 01:25:24,960 then a week later Fondren said actually 1801 01:25:30,169 --> 01:25:27,929 I took them so as like ever a little run 1802 01:25:33,379 --> 01:25:30,179 down in the show last week which what 1803 01:25:35,419 --> 01:25:33,389 have heard the photograph has now 1804 01:25:38,540 --> 01:25:35,429 suddenly become a Department of Defense 1805 01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:38,550 photograph there's no paperwork with it 1806 01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:41,010 - so there's some Special Ops guys gave 1807 01:25:44,209 --> 01:25:42,690 him it he says so this little 1808 01:25:45,860 --> 01:25:44,219 photographs in there and he said there's 1809 01:25:48,110 --> 01:25:45,870 a face in the corner this face is 1810 01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:48,120 actually John Burroughs right well that 1811 01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:51,210 is it actually a cropped version of the 1812 01:25:55,490 --> 01:25:53,280 photograph which is actually in a far 1813 01:25:56,990 --> 01:25:55,500 Suri's and if you look at the fr size 1814 01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:57,000 you can see where the squiggle is that 1815 01:26:05,629 --> 01:25:58,800 supposed to be John Burroughs head but 1816 01:26:08,570 --> 01:26:05,639 he doesn't ever having that know we 1817 01:26:12,709 --> 01:26:08,580 questions that okay so this incident 1818 01:26:18,290 --> 01:26:12,719 happened nearly 40 years ago and all of 1819 01:26:20,510 --> 01:26:18,300 a sudden now 38 39 years later Larry 1820 01:26:22,370 --> 01:26:20,520 Warren the only person that's come up 1821 01:26:25,370 --> 01:26:22,380 with a photograph he never came up with 1822 01:26:27,620 --> 01:26:25,380 it before but now all of a sudden I got 1823 01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:27,630 a photograph that I took of the of the 1824 01:26:30,649 --> 01:26:28,320 incident 1825 01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:30,659 well he's got a few actually or at least 1826 01:26:34,610 --> 01:26:32,250 a couple because he said that he had 1827 01:26:37,189 --> 01:26:34,620 another one of an a-10 and above the 1828 01:26:38,580 --> 01:26:37,199 a-10 was the UFO and he swears on his 1829 01:26:41,070 --> 01:26:38,590 son's head 1830 01:26:41,939 --> 01:26:41,080 that that craft was in his face later 1831 01:26:44,339 --> 01:26:41,949 that night 1832 01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:44,349 well that photograph was taken in 1985 1833 01:26:49,410 --> 01:26:47,440 on his honey not in 1980 on that night 1834 01:26:51,270 --> 01:26:49,420 he's got various stories of how he came 1835 01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:51,280 to take the photograph because he was 1836 01:26:55,470 --> 01:26:53,530 actually in Germany at the same time as 1837 01:26:57,629 --> 01:26:55,480 he's taking the photograph in you know 1838 01:26:59,370 --> 01:26:57,639 like his two stories so when we look 1839 01:27:02,459 --> 01:26:59,380 closely at the photographs in his album 1840 01:27:05,430 --> 01:27:02,469 oh gosh what's this oh look there's that 1841 01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:05,440 photograph actually given to me by Barry 1842 01:27:10,109 --> 01:27:07,810 Greenwood who wrote a book in 93 and 1843 01:27:12,930 --> 01:27:10,119 then didn't believe Larry so the woman 1844 01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:12,940 who wrote a book in the 1999 I think she 1845 01:27:19,950 --> 01:27:16,449 doesn't believe in me and so everybody 1846 01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:19,960 abandons him and photograph in the album 1847 01:27:26,399 --> 01:27:23,920 does not have the a-10 with with the UFO 1848 01:27:28,290 --> 01:27:26,409 above it it's just the a-10 and it's a 1849 01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:28,300 color photograph and the one that he's 1850 01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:30,489 banding around now is black or white and 1851 01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:34,570 has a UFO yeah well apparently I that I 1852 01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:36,250 faked that and then he's gone parading 1853 01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:38,050 around people saying that he's really 1854 01:27:42,689 --> 01:27:40,570 it's just an effect it when we were 1855 01:27:45,540 --> 01:27:42,699 fragrance and then he put it on and 1856 01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:45,550 somehow he's I even make sense how could 1857 01:27:49,770 --> 01:27:47,530 I have adopted everything or I've 1858 01:27:52,109 --> 01:27:49,780 downloaded it off the internet and I've 1859 01:27:54,660 --> 01:27:52,119 managed to put it up and replace it all 1860 01:27:57,180 --> 01:27:54,670 that replace was at the same about his 1861 01:27:59,550 --> 01:27:57,190 military records so I was like well show 1862 01:28:01,410 --> 01:27:59,560 us where at there once I'm presenting 1863 01:28:02,700 --> 01:28:01,420 show me the ones that you've got and 1864 01:28:06,290 --> 01:28:02,710 let's up and point out where the 1865 01:28:09,930 --> 01:28:06,300 different and we won't do it right well 1866 01:28:11,550 --> 01:28:09,940 yeah I mean he has he has issues with 1867 01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:11,560 timelines because that's another thing I 1868 01:28:18,300 --> 01:28:14,010 provided you and in the you know 1869 01:28:20,100 --> 01:28:18,310 documents that I gave you was that he 1870 01:28:24,089 --> 01:28:20,110 also further goes on to say about the 1871 01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:24,099 leather jacket that it was signed by 1872 01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:27,610 Stevie Ray well he was on tour with 1873 01:28:36,740 --> 01:28:32,650 Robert Plant from Led Zeppelin and again 1874 01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:36,750 the jacket is dated New York City 1986 1875 01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:40,650 well if you do a little homework 1876 01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:43,210 Stevie Ray didn't tour with Robert Plant 1877 01:28:50,430 --> 01:28:48,130 for another couple years so so it was 90 1878 01:28:51,940 --> 01:28:50,440 days yeah you know and and and even in 1879 01:28:55,330 --> 01:28:51,950 that I discovered 1880 01:28:59,640 --> 01:28:55,340 that in Larry's own words he talked 1881 01:29:02,740 --> 01:28:59,650 publicly about working with the stones 1882 01:29:06,610 --> 01:29:02,750 on a tour he's difficulty man I want to 1883 01:29:09,250 --> 01:29:06,620 say was maybe steel wheels and obviously 1884 01:29:11,770 --> 01:29:09,260 that's how they never told they never 1885 01:29:14,010 --> 01:29:11,780 Todd that's Robins sisters bombed his 1886 01:29:17,170 --> 01:29:14,020 steel wheels and then avatar did a three 1887 01:29:18,700 --> 01:29:17,180 gig well yeah sang in the same way he 1888 01:29:22,570 --> 01:29:18,710 talked about that he worked for the 1889 01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:22,580 stones on this tour and he also said he 1890 01:29:26,500 --> 01:29:24,290 was working with Stevie Ray on the tour 1891 01:29:28,270 --> 01:29:26,510 that he was with Robert Plant well 1892 01:29:31,780 --> 01:29:28,280 there's a problem in that they 1893 01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:31,790 overlapped so you can't be working on 1894 01:29:36,190 --> 01:29:33,770 two tours at the same time new places 1895 01:29:39,220 --> 01:29:36,200 and yeah can't be in two places it was 1896 01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:39,230 plus the Robert Plant but I've got a 1897 01:29:42,130 --> 01:29:40,850 photograph of him you know there's a 1898 01:29:43,630 --> 01:29:42,140 Stevie Ray Vaughan ones and there's a 1899 01:29:46,210 --> 01:29:43,640 Robert Plant one where he's with Robert 1900 01:29:48,310 --> 01:29:46,220 Phoebe snow and somebody else and if you 1901 01:29:51,370 --> 01:29:48,320 look at the wall in the back it goes all 1902 01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:51,380 wonky yes and and so I've kind of and 1903 01:29:56,590 --> 01:29:54,770 it's all all at a funny angle so it's 1904 01:29:58,090 --> 01:29:56,600 another generated photograph anyway you 1905 01:29:58,420 --> 01:29:58,100 was never in that photograph with Robert 1906 01:30:00,640 --> 01:29:58,430 Plant 1907 01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:00,650 it's stuck himself on the edge so I mean 1908 01:30:05,830 --> 01:30:02,930 it's certainly like the other thing that 1909 01:30:11,290 --> 01:30:05,840 gets me is that people I mean there is 1910 01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:11,300 just such an overwhelming pile of things 1911 01:30:19,810 --> 01:30:13,730 that should make any rational person go 1912 01:30:22,180 --> 01:30:19,820 huh that does look suspicious that you 1913 01:30:24,190 --> 01:30:22,190 know how people can't even allow 1914 01:30:27,390 --> 01:30:24,200 themselves to question that like maybe 1915 01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:27,400 he is lying you know but I mean it's a 1916 01:30:33,700 --> 01:30:31,610 mountain of evidence showing that he's 1917 01:30:35,260 --> 01:30:33,710 lied about thinking about that he's lied 1918 01:30:37,930 --> 01:30:35,270 about the other thing it's like a lie 1919 01:30:40,480 --> 01:30:37,940 after lie after lie after lie and and 1920 01:30:43,180 --> 01:30:40,490 then you're still gonna want to defend 1921 01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:43,190 the guy I mean it doesn't make logical 1922 01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:47,210 sense well that they didn't just defend 1923 01:30:52,540 --> 01:30:50,690 him they've actually had this concerted 1924 01:30:57,580 --> 01:30:52,550 assault the cold butter almond and 1925 01:31:00,670 --> 01:30:57,590 alliance against me right and they've at 1926 01:31:02,950 --> 01:31:00,680 this concert effort with it was around 1927 01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:02,960 fifty people at one point that were 1928 01:31:07,010 --> 01:31:05,010 trolling me 1929 01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:07,020 and then it whittled down it whittled 1930 01:31:13,490 --> 01:31:10,290 down it whittled down until you know all 1931 01:31:15,140 --> 01:31:13,500 of the people who were at first weren't 1932 01:31:17,450 --> 01:31:15,150 necessarily trolling me but they were 1933 01:31:19,729 --> 01:31:17,460 Todd to the people who were trolling me 1934 01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:19,739 negatively about me and they were 1935 01:31:24,110 --> 01:31:21,840 believing everything that he said it 1936 01:31:25,910 --> 01:31:24,120 wasn't until he screwed up by 1937 01:31:29,150 --> 01:31:25,920 threatening to put my windpipe through 1938 01:31:31,580 --> 01:31:29,160 my spine and my life faster than venue 1939 01:31:34,310 --> 01:31:31,590 security would ever you know be able to 1940 01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:34,320 react to etc that was what got him 1941 01:31:38,870 --> 01:31:37,050 banned from a conference now they said 1942 01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:38,880 that it was me that had wound him up and 1943 01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:41,850 blah blah blah so I should the lady who 1944 01:31:44,870 --> 01:31:43,050 organized the conference the 1945 01:31:46,490 --> 01:31:44,880 conversation where I said I were going 1946 01:31:49,729 --> 01:31:46,500 to go to this conference and I was going 1947 01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:49,739 to ask about his Rendlesham narrative 1948 01:31:55,250 --> 01:31:52,890 and he told this woman Alison Dunlop 1949 01:31:57,800 --> 01:31:55,260 that I threatened him and I'd threatened 1950 01:32:01,010 --> 01:31:57,810 his family and that was his reaction to 1951 01:32:03,620 --> 01:32:01,020 it the threat that he perceived was me 1952 01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:03,630 being in audience and asking him that 1953 01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:05,370 question and putting him on the spot so 1954 01:32:10,340 --> 01:32:07,920 his language was very tell him his 1955 01:32:13,100 --> 01:32:10,350 reaction was very Italian punch me in 1956 01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:13,110 the throat put my windpipe through my 1957 01:32:15,229 --> 01:32:13,530 spine 1958 01:32:16,610 --> 01:32:15,239 that's the throat so it's a punch me in 1959 01:32:21,140 --> 01:32:16,620 the throat which is where are my noise 1960 01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:21,150 comes from yeah and like wreck get and 1961 01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:23,489 kill me because I'm a threat at this 1962 01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:26,850 point now the threat is a question about 1963 01:32:31,790 --> 01:32:29,970 which Rendlesham narrative right so all 1964 01:32:34,070 --> 01:32:31,800 of that and I was trying to say people 1965 01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:34,080 look at his reaction how ridiculous is 1966 01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:37,050 that to a question and they thought they 1967 01:32:42,440 --> 01:32:39,570 believed him and then when she saw the 1968 01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:42,450 the conversation Facebook post where I 1969 01:32:47,540 --> 01:32:45,210 said to the co-organizer of that 1970 01:32:49,850 --> 01:32:47,550 conference Malcolm I am quite happy to 1971 01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:49,860 submit my question beforehand and I act 1972 01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:51,930 a little guarantee that I will not carry 1973 01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:54,090 on alarming I just want to ask this 1974 01:32:58,910 --> 01:32:56,850 question right and it was looking like 1975 01:33:01,070 --> 01:32:58,920 no gonna be able to go so it was a case 1976 01:33:03,650 --> 01:33:01,080 of well somebody else said we'll I'll 1977 01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:03,660 ask the question then yeah so it was a 1978 01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:09,090 case of II said that you and whomever in 1979 01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:10,890 brackets because someone else said that 1980 01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:13,290 they'd go and ask the question right so 1981 01:33:18,460 --> 01:33:15,330 then I got and and then they can't be 1982 01:33:21,130 --> 01:33:18,470 University cancelled the conference 1983 01:33:23,110 --> 01:33:21,140 and said no way we're not having this 1984 01:33:24,820 --> 01:33:23,120 going on there I got blamed for that as 1985 01:33:28,300 --> 01:33:24,830 well and they were going to send me a 1986 01:33:30,670 --> 01:33:28,310 bill for 450 pounds which was the extra 1987 01:33:33,220 --> 01:33:30,680 seven that were asked to pay for extra 1988 01:33:35,170 --> 01:33:33,230 security for a second venue that they 1989 01:33:39,220 --> 01:33:35,180 got yeah they were going to bill me for 1990 01:33:41,470 --> 01:33:39,230 it because of him but then they all 1991 01:33:44,740 --> 01:33:41,480 ended up because she just went actually 1992 01:33:48,370 --> 01:33:44,750 is he's behavior was utterly atrocious 1993 01:33:50,170 --> 01:33:48,380 right you know and he's told her little 1994 01:33:51,970 --> 01:33:50,180 eyes and the in she wrote statement and 1995 01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:51,980 that's how it all turned around so that 1996 01:33:57,730 --> 01:33:54,650 50 people quickly turned into just a 1997 01:34:00,190 --> 01:33:57,740 handful and the rest of him started 1998 01:34:03,580 --> 01:34:00,200 being on you know not on my team but we 1999 01:34:05,230 --> 01:34:03,590 kind of got together and facts you know 2000 01:34:06,370 --> 01:34:05,240 and divvying up the jobs between us what 2001 01:34:07,570 --> 01:34:06,380 we're gonna do right when it was gonna 2002 01:34:09,070 --> 01:34:07,580 check on that was gonna check on how it 2003 01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:09,080 was gonna hear they said yeah and that's 2004 01:34:21,190 --> 01:34:11,570 how I work and we became the fab far 2005 01:34:26,340 --> 01:34:21,200 from that is how that you know when you 2006 01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:26,350 see people who absolutely 100% 2007 01:34:35,890 --> 01:34:31,850 verifiably have known Larry some people 2008 01:34:38,410 --> 01:34:35,900 extremely well for example yeah his Co 2009 01:34:42,300 --> 01:34:38,420 West co-author on left at Eastgate who 2010 01:34:46,810 --> 01:34:42,310 now public publicly come out and stated 2011 01:34:50,440 --> 01:34:46,820 he's a liar it's all baloney and I was 2012 01:34:54,580 --> 01:34:50,450 hoodwinked and now this is a guy that's 2013 01:34:58,840 --> 01:34:54,590 got no no I mean no reason to want to do 2014 01:35:02,440 --> 01:34:58,850 that I mean because you know their book 2015 01:35:05,710 --> 01:35:02,450 being pulled off the market that affects 2016 01:35:08,650 --> 01:35:05,720 his intimate written three books what 2017 01:35:11,530 --> 01:35:08,660 that yeah he'd written three books two 2018 01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:11,540 of them made self publish but what they 2019 01:35:14,020 --> 01:35:11,930 were after 2020 01:35:17,050 --> 01:35:14,030 East Gate was Cosmo who was the 2021 01:35:19,570 --> 01:35:17,060 publisher so Cosmo canceled their 2022 01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:19,580 publishing off the book and Peter 2023 01:35:27,010 --> 01:35:22,370 himself pulled the other two books from 2024 01:35:30,820 --> 01:35:27,020 print and so so he you know he affected 2025 01:35:32,290 --> 01:35:30,830 his own income by doing that because he 2026 01:35:34,959 --> 01:35:32,300 clearly felt it was more 2027 01:35:36,910 --> 01:35:34,969 to tell what he had discovered and 2028 01:35:39,790 --> 01:35:36,920 believed to be the truth 2029 01:35:44,189 --> 01:35:39,800 so what blows my mind is people that 2030 01:35:47,319 --> 01:35:44,199 don't know Larry as well as Peter does 2031 01:35:49,330 --> 01:35:47,329 who was sit there and go oh no I still 2032 01:35:52,299 --> 01:35:49,340 believe Larry I mean here's a guy that 2033 01:35:54,850 --> 01:35:52,309 knew him intimately for decades and 2034 01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:54,860 defended him specially for decades who 2035 01:36:00,669 --> 01:35:56,570 has now come out and said thought I knew 2036 01:36:02,620 --> 01:36:00,679 him huh thought he knew him yeah we all 2037 01:36:05,580 --> 01:36:02,630 thought we knew him but we didn't right 2038 01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:05,590 but you know the point I'm getting at is 2039 01:36:11,319 --> 01:36:09,050 people that you know like myself uh you 2040 01:36:13,750 --> 01:36:11,329 know I knew him when he was here in 2041 01:36:16,750 --> 01:36:13,760 Rutland I knew him well enough that he 2042 01:36:20,740 --> 01:36:16,760 slept on my couch you know for a couple 2043 01:36:22,359 --> 01:36:20,750 of days and you know we hung out a lot I 2044 01:36:27,459 --> 01:36:22,369 mean I had a lot of interaction with 2045 01:36:30,100 --> 01:36:27,469 this guy and you know I'm telling you in 2046 01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:30,110 my experiences he could never tell the 2047 01:36:35,379 --> 01:36:33,050 same story twice he made things up I 2048 01:36:40,500 --> 01:36:35,389 believe he was forging items he was 2049 01:36:43,270 --> 01:36:40,510 selling items you know deceiving people 2050 01:36:45,609 --> 01:36:43,280 you know like like I said Peter worked 2051 01:36:47,830 --> 01:36:45,619 intimately with him for many many many 2052 01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:47,840 many years he's come out and said he's a 2053 01:36:51,250 --> 01:36:48,530 fraud 2054 01:36:53,470 --> 01:36:51,260 now why people won't believe that it 2055 01:36:55,359 --> 01:36:53,480 just boggles the mind I mean when you 2056 01:36:58,780 --> 01:36:55,369 have people even let's go to the you 2057 01:37:00,760 --> 01:36:58,790 know you know in the USL community when 2058 01:37:04,419 --> 01:37:00,770 you have somebody at the level of Nick 2059 01:37:06,850 --> 01:37:04,429 Pope saying this guy is full of it you 2060 01:37:11,649 --> 01:37:06,860 know what I mean there's you've got a 2061 01:37:13,510 --> 01:37:11,659 look at it and go you know obviously 2062 01:37:13,930 --> 01:37:13,520 Nick Pope would would would would love 2063 01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:13,940 her 2064 01:37:19,209 --> 01:37:17,210 Larry story to be true and well he 2065 01:37:22,419 --> 01:37:19,219 endorsed the book originally but April 2066 01:37:24,370 --> 01:37:22,429 his endorsement he wouldn't do that he 2067 01:37:25,109 --> 01:37:24,380 wasn't really complete sure it was 2068 01:37:27,790 --> 01:37:25,119 baloney 2069 01:37:28,990 --> 01:37:27,800 you know same thing with Peter you know 2070 01:37:30,010 --> 01:37:29,000 they're affecting their own 2071 01:37:32,140 --> 01:37:30,020 self-interest 2072 01:37:36,700 --> 01:37:32,150 in a negative way by having come out and 2073 01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:36,710 say I got fooled by this guy Alan tell 2074 01:37:41,580 --> 01:37:38,690 and tell you it's affected Peter very 2075 01:37:44,500 --> 01:37:41,590 badly and I hope that you know that 2076 01:37:46,209 --> 01:37:44,510 changes because I think actually why he 2077 01:37:48,459 --> 01:37:46,219 was immensely bro 2078 01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:48,469 he could have just carry on with Gary 2079 01:37:52,870 --> 01:37:50,570 Heseltine sticking his fingers in his 2080 01:37:54,970 --> 01:37:52,880 ears Allah but he couldn't because the 2081 01:37:57,939 --> 01:37:54,980 evidence that are presented actually 2082 01:37:59,229 --> 01:37:57,949 stood up to scrutiny you know so I mean 2083 01:38:01,900 --> 01:37:59,239 I guess that's that's where I'm going 2084 01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:01,910 with it is is that you know people have 2085 01:38:08,820 --> 01:38:05,690 to really step back and and look at all 2086 01:38:12,220 --> 01:38:08,830 of the stuff that's being presented and 2087 01:38:14,830 --> 01:38:12,230 who the people are that are saying you 2088 01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:14,840 know Larry's a fraud and a forger and a 2089 01:38:21,340 --> 01:38:18,770 liar and and even and you know I invite 2090 01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:21,350 them to take on their own investigation 2091 01:38:26,950 --> 01:38:23,690 you tried a piece Larry Warren's life 2092 01:38:30,550 --> 01:38:26,960 together and you try to figure it out 2093 01:38:34,630 --> 01:38:30,560 and I guarantee you you are not gonna 2094 01:38:36,910 --> 01:38:34,640 find any degrees from any college you're 2095 01:38:39,010 --> 01:38:36,920 not gonna find well we did check that 2096 01:38:41,170 --> 01:38:39,020 yeah well I'm gonna do this on their own 2097 01:38:44,050 --> 01:38:41,180 if people out there listening who still 2098 01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:44,060 think that he's telling the truth you 2099 01:38:48,910 --> 01:38:46,730 know just do your homework don't take my 2100 01:38:52,390 --> 01:38:48,920 word for it don't take Sasha's word for 2101 01:38:55,110 --> 01:38:52,400 it go out and you find financial records 2102 01:38:58,150 --> 01:38:55,120 proving that Larry worked for anybody 2103 01:39:01,510 --> 01:38:58,160 you go find that he had a degree from 2104 01:39:03,670 --> 01:39:01,520 any school you go find where he was an 2105 01:39:05,709 --> 01:39:03,680 expert in the steel industry you go find 2106 01:39:09,010 --> 01:39:05,719 where anybody could document that he was 2107 01:39:11,340 --> 01:39:09,020 at Ground Zero at 9/11 you know you go 2108 01:39:14,620 --> 01:39:11,350 find that there's any proof that he 2109 01:39:17,950 --> 01:39:14,630 worked as a publicist for the stones or 2110 01:39:18,790 --> 01:39:17,960 Stevie Ray or Eric Clapton or you know 2111 01:39:21,970 --> 01:39:18,800 anybody 2112 01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:21,980 you can't oh it was on stage at live it 2113 01:39:26,530 --> 01:39:24,170 he says he was on stage at light when 2114 01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:26,540 Led Zeppelin came on right well in the 2115 01:39:31,780 --> 01:39:29,570 DVD the only band that are not included 2116 01:39:33,790 --> 01:39:31,790 in the DVD of live aired is Led Zeppelin 2117 01:39:37,689 --> 01:39:33,800 because they paid that atrociously they 2118 01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:37,699 wouldn't allow that rap to be put into 2119 01:39:41,830 --> 01:39:39,890 it was just so disturbing all right 2120 01:39:44,650 --> 01:39:41,840 sorry it can't be seen so now somebody 2121 01:39:47,050 --> 01:39:44,660 that I know know they organized a 2122 01:39:49,270 --> 01:39:47,060 massive part of library now if I say who 2123 01:39:49,750 --> 01:39:49,280 or what he'll give it away so I'm not 2124 01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:49,760 going to 2125 01:39:54,370 --> 01:39:52,010 you just gotta set my word for this that 2126 01:39:59,140 --> 01:39:54,380 he has asked all of the people that 2127 01:39:59,890 --> 01:39:59,150 worked on that that stage that backstage 2128 01:40:01,720 --> 01:39:59,900 nobody 2129 01:40:04,090 --> 01:40:01,730 was getting back there tighter than the 2130 01:40:06,340 --> 01:40:04,100 nuts backside nobody's heard of Larry 2131 01:40:08,500 --> 01:40:06,350 Warren and I've got you know this is 2132 01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:08,510 obviously second-hand information but I 2133 01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:11,210 know that the guy who asked the guy and 2134 01:40:14,649 --> 01:40:13,280 know the industry that is in and I know 2135 01:40:16,899 --> 01:40:14,659 his connections and I know he's not 2136 01:40:20,470 --> 01:40:16,909 lying easy part of the people who help 2137 01:40:22,270 --> 01:40:20,480 me and he's done some amazing stuff but 2138 01:40:23,709 --> 01:40:22,280 Larry wasn't on stage we would like 2139 01:40:25,419 --> 01:40:23,719 something that like I don't I wish I 2140 01:40:28,090 --> 01:40:25,429 could do that well here's another thing 2141 01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:28,100 I mean showing some pictures of you with 2142 01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:30,050 famous people doesn't prove that you 2143 01:40:34,660 --> 01:40:31,730 worked for them or that you were even 2144 01:40:37,570 --> 01:40:34,670 friendly with them you know hoping for a 2145 01:40:40,030 --> 01:40:37,580 lot of people I've even played onstage 2146 01:40:42,370 --> 01:40:40,040 with with some famous people I could 2147 01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:42,380 show you photographs of me playing with 2148 01:40:49,450 --> 01:40:45,050 Rick Danko of the band on multiple 2149 01:40:51,820 --> 01:40:49,460 occasions we weren't close buddies I 2150 01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:51,830 just happen to be the opening act and he 2151 01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:55,010 was cool enough to ask me to sit in you 2152 01:40:59,590 --> 01:40:56,690 know I didn't know him I didn't work 2153 01:41:01,360 --> 01:40:59,600 warm I wasn't in his band you know I 2154 01:41:02,919 --> 01:41:01,370 could certainly tell those stories ago 2155 01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:02,929 look here's a picture of me playing with 2156 01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:04,610 him and people would believe it but 2157 01:41:09,459 --> 01:41:07,250 that's not what happened you know I can 2158 01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:09,469 show you pictures of me with all kinds 2159 01:41:12,970 --> 01:41:11,449 of different famous people I didn't know 2160 01:41:15,729 --> 01:41:12,980 they might just happen to be the opening 2161 01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:15,739 act yeah I mean it's like yeah it 2162 01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:18,890 doesn't mean a damn thing so that isn't 2163 01:41:25,390 --> 01:41:22,010 proof of anything you know like I said 2164 01:41:27,459 --> 01:41:25,400 there'd be financial records I haven't 2165 01:41:29,530 --> 01:41:27,469 even been able to find any kind of 2166 01:41:32,410 --> 01:41:29,540 indication that Larry actually graduated 2167 01:41:35,740 --> 01:41:32,420 from high school I mean find me a 2168 01:41:38,530 --> 01:41:35,750 yearbook that he's in you know what I'm 2169 01:41:40,750 --> 01:41:38,540 saying okay and I have looked at every 2170 01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:40,760 single what would not just me there was 2171 01:41:45,490 --> 01:41:42,370 a few of us we went through Alvin and 2172 01:41:47,380 --> 01:41:45,500 registers photo albums and all the rest 2173 01:41:49,060 --> 01:41:47,390 of it there's no sign of him at all and 2174 01:41:51,070 --> 01:41:49,070 in fact I do know somebody who knows the 2175 01:41:52,899 --> 01:41:51,080 fire chief who's quite disturbed about 2176 01:41:54,189 --> 01:41:52,909 this BT none of these people want to get 2177 01:41:56,830 --> 01:41:54,199 involved with it because it's such an 2178 01:41:59,050 --> 01:41:56,840 ugly magnet so you know why would you 2179 01:42:02,110 --> 01:41:59,060 invite this into your life yeah so it's 2180 01:42:04,510 --> 01:42:02,120 like a friend of a friend always but the 2181 01:42:07,060 --> 01:42:04,520 the fire chief who was in charge at 2182 01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:07,070 Ground Zero is horrified by this he's 2183 01:42:11,229 --> 01:42:09,440 put a post up in a group on Facebook 2184 01:42:12,820 --> 01:42:11,239 which is the official one but he said 2185 01:42:13,660 --> 01:42:12,830 I'm just gonna leave it there to see if 2186 01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:13,670 anyone gets mad 2187 01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:16,850 not to do anything about it you know and 2188 01:42:20,050 --> 01:42:18,650 there's a lot of that may pan won't get 2189 01:42:21,459 --> 01:42:20,060 involved especially involved and they'll 2190 01:42:23,590 --> 01:42:21,469 go guy won't get involved unless the 2191 01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:23,600 grocery involved family friends are 2192 01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:25,610 sending obscene revoir family friend of 2193 01:42:31,390 --> 01:42:28,090 Stevie Ray Vargas are sending me things 2194 01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:31,400 that are in action that they know 2195 01:42:36,370 --> 01:42:33,050 doesn't belong to Stevie and everything 2196 01:42:39,189 --> 01:42:36,380 well but they don't want their you 2197 01:42:42,220 --> 01:42:39,199 mentioned me paying I mean she came out 2198 01:42:46,120 --> 01:42:42,230 and made a public statement that I did 2199 01:42:49,300 --> 01:42:46,130 not give that that drawing tutelary as 2200 01:42:51,490 --> 01:42:49,310 he claims that she didn't believe that 2201 01:42:54,340 --> 01:42:51,500 it was a real and it's certain that it 2202 01:42:56,380 --> 01:42:54,350 was a real John Lennon drawing that it 2203 01:42:58,750 --> 01:42:56,390 definitely didn't originate from her I 2204 01:43:02,560 --> 01:42:58,760 mean she completely discredited a story 2205 01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:02,570 and still people will go oh now Larry's 2206 01:43:06,970 --> 01:43:04,850 telling the truth I'm like she's his 2207 01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:06,980 story and she's telling you it's not 2208 01:43:13,540 --> 01:43:08,690 true and you're not going to believe her 2209 01:43:17,140 --> 01:43:13,550 and by the way we can prove 100% that 2210 01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:17,150 MAPE a new John Lennon I mean you know 2211 01:43:21,430 --> 01:43:19,250 there's all kinds of proof that she knew 2212 01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:21,440 John Lennon anybody that believes that 2213 01:43:27,459 --> 01:43:25,010 Larry Warren at 17 and 18 years old was 2214 01:43:28,090 --> 01:43:27,469 friends with John Lennon you need your 2215 01:43:30,490 --> 01:43:28,100 head examined 2216 01:43:32,350 --> 01:43:30,500 I'll trained to be close per section I 2217 01:43:34,450 --> 01:43:32,360 say he was close for section demigods 2218 01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:34,460 and like I mean like you had the 2219 01:43:39,400 --> 01:43:36,650 photograph of him standing next to John 2220 01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:39,410 Lennon where he's got a beard and is 2221 01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:41,690 like Fort Emmy you can see you've got a 2222 01:43:49,660 --> 01:43:46,730 weathered face it's so blatantly a fake 2223 01:43:51,729 --> 01:43:49,670 and again anybody in their right mind 2224 01:44:00,100 --> 01:43:51,739 would look at that and go that's that's 2225 01:44:01,660 --> 01:44:00,110 so pathetic it's hilarious it's all 2226 01:44:04,300 --> 01:44:01,670 ridiculous and the other thing that is 2227 01:44:06,790 --> 01:44:04,310 he's generated all these paintings that 2228 01:44:09,580 --> 01:44:06,800 he says that were like Jerry Garcia's 2229 01:44:12,370 --> 01:44:09,590 Bob Dylan's all the rest of it but he's 2230 01:44:14,919 --> 01:44:12,380 like Jerry Garcia where did this 2231 01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:14,929 painting called the time she and Larry 2232 01:44:20,500 --> 01:44:16,850 walrus on his own version of this time 2233 01:44:24,220 --> 01:44:20,510 machine and another one that he's put in 2234 01:44:27,340 --> 01:44:24,230 action together with the Levin helm Bob 2235 01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:27,350 Dylan pentane which was said to be Faye 2236 01:44:31,870 --> 01:44:30,530 by the auction house and it was in an 2237 01:44:34,180 --> 01:44:31,880 auction that he sold 2238 01:44:36,850 --> 01:44:34,190 although the Jerrica pains him for 8 2239 01:44:40,300 --> 01:44:36,860 grand and since then he sold we think 2240 01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:40,310 the Jimi Hendrix jacket is sold the John 2241 01:44:44,590 --> 01:44:41,930 Lennon jacket he saw the John Lennon 2242 01:44:46,780 --> 01:44:44,600 paying in he sold a John Lennon a Jimi 2243 01:44:50,020 --> 01:44:46,790 Hendrix ring and tried to send her Jimi 2244 01:44:53,380 --> 01:44:50,030 Hendrix paint in and so I kind of taught 2245 01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:53,390 it up how much he's actually generated 2246 01:44:58,570 --> 01:44:55,370 from some of the things that he sold I 2247 01:45:01,600 --> 01:44:58,580 know of his in this past sort of five 2248 01:45:04,630 --> 01:45:01,610 years for a time frame maybe six 2249 01:45:08,740 --> 01:45:04,640 actually and it's well over 60,000 2250 01:45:11,140 --> 01:45:08,750 pounds well in if he's piece all day 2251 01:45:13,180 --> 01:45:11,150 Jimi jacket and the painting that's 2252 01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:13,190 another thirty thousand out of one art 2253 01:45:17,170 --> 01:45:14,170 room 2254 01:45:19,320 --> 01:45:17,180 and and the police don't appreciate 2255 01:45:23,110 --> 01:45:19,330 right we don't deal with that 2256 01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:23,120 mind-boggling did know you know that 2257 01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:24,890 there isn't an up or send in England 2258 01:45:30,340 --> 01:45:28,250 because I guarantee you you can't find 2259 01:45:34,480 --> 01:45:30,350 any place where Larry paid taxes on that 2260 01:45:38,590 --> 01:45:34,490 money to English Oh copies oldest taxes 2261 01:45:41,560 --> 01:45:38,600 of America or yes I'll be 80 Oh anything 2262 01:45:45,990 --> 01:45:41,570 I mean he says his business it's no 2263 01:45:47,830 --> 01:45:46,000 website is no castle oh please no no no 2264 01:45:53,620 --> 01:45:47,840 and I 2265 01:45:55,660 --> 01:45:53,630 suspect that any online auctions he's 2266 01:45:59,050 --> 01:45:55,670 it's somebody somebody else is selling 2267 01:46:01,840 --> 01:45:59,060 it for him and again though he connects 2268 01:46:03,850 --> 01:46:01,850 himself to all of these items when you 2269 01:46:05,830 --> 01:46:03,860 provide a letter of authenticity from 2270 01:46:09,970 --> 01:46:05,840 Charlie Lennon where he specifically 2271 01:46:12,100 --> 01:46:09,980 says I gave that you know this I gave 2272 01:46:14,470 --> 01:46:12,110 this Larry Warren or I sold it to Larry 2273 01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:14,480 Warren or Larry Warren is authenticating 2274 01:46:22,510 --> 01:46:16,970 it you know I received this from Charlie 2275 01:46:24,940 --> 01:46:22,520 linen you know name it well Charlie 2276 01:46:27,160 --> 01:46:24,950 Lennon died is without any money they 2277 01:46:28,480 --> 01:46:27,170 died in poverty yet this guy took all 2278 01:46:30,490 --> 01:46:28,490 that stuff off and the soldier attacks 2279 01:46:31,900 --> 01:46:30,500 all them on you know I mean book he's 2280 01:46:34,540 --> 01:46:31,910 Mike he's putting himself out to be a 2281 01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:34,550 devil anyway right just like that right 2282 01:46:39,910 --> 01:46:37,730 but you know I'm saying that by his let 2283 01:46:40,299 --> 01:46:39,920 use of letter of authenticity where he 2284 01:46:44,319 --> 01:46:40,309 men 2285 01:46:47,859 --> 01:46:44,329 his own name or he directly can connect 2286 01:46:50,889 --> 01:46:47,869 himself to the side oh yeah you know or 2287 01:46:54,369 --> 01:46:50,899 which when you you know when you can 2288 01:46:56,500 --> 01:46:54,379 prove these items or forgeries I mean 2289 01:46:59,439 --> 01:46:56,510 yeah I can't wiggle out of like oh well 2290 01:47:02,349 --> 01:46:59,449 that's not me well the letter says Larry 2291 01:47:04,599 --> 01:47:02,359 Warren write on it you know how would 2292 01:47:08,049 --> 01:47:04,609 Charlie Lennon ever even know who the 2293 01:47:11,290 --> 01:47:08,059 hell Larry Warren was well because Larry 2294 01:47:13,750 --> 01:47:11,300 moved to where Charlie lived yeah you've 2295 01:47:19,719 --> 01:47:13,760 moved to the same little town as a big 2296 01:47:21,069 --> 01:47:19,729 birth so so he something out and said 2297 01:47:22,629 --> 01:47:21,079 alright well this is where I live this 2298 01:47:25,899 --> 01:47:22,639 is how I knew it when he's actually said 2299 01:47:28,239 --> 01:47:25,909 that Charlie was like an uncle to him so 2300 01:47:30,219 --> 01:47:28,249 he was John Lennon's uncle so he's like 2301 01:47:32,679 --> 01:47:30,229 an uncle to John Lennon and little - 2302 01:47:36,429 --> 01:47:32,689 Larry warrior so they're far they're 2303 01:47:38,079 --> 01:47:36,439 brothers cousins what no it's like he's 2304 01:47:40,899 --> 01:47:38,089 putting himself at the heart of the 2305 01:47:43,569 --> 01:47:40,909 family you know it's not true I mean you 2306 01:47:47,679 --> 01:47:43,579 know here's here's kind of my assessment 2307 01:47:49,839 --> 01:47:47,689 of his motivation way back when 2308 01:47:51,669 --> 01:47:49,849 because another one of his stories was 2309 01:47:54,909 --> 01:47:51,679 like you know after he's talking about I 2310 01:47:58,379 --> 01:47:54,919 was Dennis Wilson's personal assistant I 2311 01:48:00,759 --> 01:47:58,389 saw online where he also talked about oh 2312 01:48:02,829 --> 01:48:00,769 yeah and I went to this club in the 2313 01:48:06,939 --> 01:48:02,839 early 80s and I jammed with the Beach 2314 01:48:11,259 --> 01:48:06,949 Boys now I've seen Larry try to play the 2315 01:48:14,829 --> 01:48:11,269 bass he is not a musician the guy can't 2316 01:48:19,259 --> 01:48:14,839 string two notes together he wouldn't 2317 01:48:26,500 --> 01:48:22,959 to put up a any kind of video of him 2318 01:48:28,719 --> 01:48:26,510 playing anything playing something music 2319 01:48:31,329 --> 01:48:28,729 fingers always hurt though because 2320 01:48:33,339 --> 01:48:31,339 always hurt when Dave said to him 2321 01:48:36,569 --> 01:48:33,349 because my partner Davey plays a guitar 2322 01:48:38,919 --> 01:48:36,579 he's a really good you know musician and 2323 01:48:40,899 --> 01:48:38,929 there's musical instruments lying around 2324 01:48:42,909 --> 01:48:40,909 all over the place in the house Larry 2325 01:48:44,469 --> 01:48:42,919 never ever picks up a guitar when Dave 2326 01:48:48,279 --> 01:48:44,479 said somewhat so and we said oh my 2327 01:48:51,159 --> 01:48:48,289 fingers are a bit so yeah you know that 2328 01:48:53,709 --> 01:48:51,169 was you don't play my you know yeah you 2329 01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:53,719 know so what I think probably case was 2330 01:48:56,500 --> 01:48:54,170 is they 2331 01:48:59,200 --> 01:48:56,510 way way way back when when he was in 2332 01:49:01,930 --> 01:48:59,210 high school you know he wanted to be in 2333 01:49:03,850 --> 01:49:01,940 it he wanted to be a musician and you 2334 01:49:06,959 --> 01:49:03,860 know I've seen a photograph of him 2335 01:49:11,260 --> 01:49:06,969 playing with a band way back then and 2336 01:49:13,240 --> 01:49:11,270 I'm sure they were not good and I'm sure 2337 01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:13,250 that he couldn't play and there had to 2338 01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:16,610 be a point where he realized my dream of 2339 01:49:19,979 --> 01:49:18,890 being a famous rock and roll star isn't 2340 01:49:26,350 --> 01:49:19,989 going to happen 2341 01:49:28,419 --> 01:49:26,360 so he created the illusion another way 2342 01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:28,429 he became you know he wanted to be 2343 01:49:33,130 --> 01:49:30,650 fainted it was about being famous and 2344 01:49:34,890 --> 01:49:33,140 about being connected to music and I 2345 01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:34,900 think that's how the whole thing 2346 01:49:42,580 --> 01:49:38,810 probably got started way back when you 2347 01:49:45,189 --> 01:49:42,590 know but I mean again the guy can't play 2348 01:49:49,630 --> 01:49:45,199 I've seen him try on more than one 2349 01:49:52,270 --> 01:49:49,640 occasion and he's terrible so the story 2350 01:49:54,820 --> 01:49:52,280 you know there's no way the Heath had 2351 01:49:59,110 --> 01:49:54,830 him with the Beach Boys you know never 2352 01:50:02,709 --> 01:49:59,120 ever happened now in his book he says 2353 01:50:04,330 --> 01:50:02,719 that he's scratched onto the surface is 2354 01:50:06,280 --> 01:50:04,340 going into the air faster convinced a 2355 01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:06,290 few friends to go in it as well but 2356 01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:07,370 we're in different and they played at 2357 01:50:12,189 --> 01:50:09,290 this festival to three thousand people 2358 01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:12,199 and that somebody approached him and 2359 01:50:17,320 --> 01:50:15,650 said oh yeah like the Eagles you know we 2360 01:50:24,130 --> 01:50:17,330 want to sign you and it's like no so 2361 01:50:26,380 --> 01:50:24,140 we're going in the u.s. there for us mum 2362 01:50:28,660 --> 01:50:26,390 fail at that why would you sign a record 2363 01:50:30,850 --> 01:50:28,670 deal when you go in to go into the US 2364 01:50:33,990 --> 01:50:30,860 Air Force and and probably back in what 2365 01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:34,000 1980 they were probably getting paid but 2366 01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:37,010 hundred bucks a week fifty bucks a week 2367 01:50:42,040 --> 01:50:40,010 I mean well it was out of the Air Force 2368 01:50:43,209 --> 01:50:42,050 about 20 weeks later so he could just to 2369 01:50:48,010 --> 01:50:43,219 go on back to that guy said I've changed 2370 01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:48,020 my mind one let's do it you know and you 2371 01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:50,449 know and again it's like don't take our 2372 01:50:57,370 --> 01:50:52,850 word for it go do your own homework I 2373 01:51:00,610 --> 01:50:57,380 mean uh you know I mean again like his 2374 01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:00,620 own co-author you know has stated like 2375 01:51:05,620 --> 01:51:03,530 Yeah right off the bat you know he 2376 01:51:07,660 --> 01:51:05,630 claimed that he was had a degree from 2377 01:51:08,350 --> 01:51:07,670 some college in Connecticut and and 2378 01:51:12,480 --> 01:51:08,360 there happened 2379 01:51:16,570 --> 01:51:12,490 you know there he proved it was a lie 2380 01:51:21,880 --> 01:51:16,580 you know and once a liar always a liar 2381 01:51:24,640 --> 01:51:21,890 you know I mean he you know he there can 2382 01:51:27,430 --> 01:51:24,650 he show any documents any any kind of 2383 01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:27,440 diploma any kind of diploma like I said 2384 01:51:31,690 --> 01:51:30,290 I does even have a GE well even show his 2385 01:51:33,940 --> 01:51:31,700 military records 2386 01:51:35,650 --> 01:51:33,950 it won't even show us its military 2387 01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:35,660 records you won't show us anything 2388 01:51:40,930 --> 01:51:38,210 because we've asked how dare you 2389 01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:40,940 question it how dare you ask for 2390 01:51:44,950 --> 01:51:43,010 evidence right I've got the evidence but 2391 01:51:47,590 --> 01:51:44,960 you can't see well you know I'm not 2392 01:51:49,810 --> 01:51:47,600 worthy that there's a smacks of the The 2393 01:51:53,460 --> 01:51:49,820 Wizard of Oz of like pay no attention to 2394 01:52:00,670 --> 01:51:58,300 no you know the fact that it's just 2395 01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:00,680 don't going isn't it people doesn't stop 2396 01:52:09,930 --> 01:52:03,290 wouldn't be questioning if there weren't 2397 01:52:16,150 --> 01:52:12,880 everything I've looked hire is a lie and 2398 01:52:18,790 --> 01:52:16,160 then a new turned up and just underlined 2399 01:52:21,790 --> 01:52:18,800 everything that I've said and and and 2400 01:52:25,060 --> 01:52:21,800 it's not me with my mind-control powers 2401 01:52:27,940 --> 01:52:25,070 as they seem to think that I have way of 2402 01:52:31,990 --> 01:52:27,950 know I was weighing everybody I I made 2403 01:52:35,470 --> 01:52:32,000 Peter ruin his career with my mind power 2404 01:52:39,180 --> 01:52:35,480 right I can I can say State for the 2405 01:52:43,420 --> 01:52:39,190 record I contacted you and said I have 2406 01:52:46,270 --> 01:52:43,430 some some documents you should see and 2407 01:52:49,690 --> 01:52:46,280 you know and I suspected in tandem with 2408 01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:49,700 this conversation you're going to use at 2409 01:52:53,890 --> 01:52:52,850 least some of the documents and I was 2410 01:52:56,920 --> 01:52:53,900 all going out there baby 2411 01:52:58,600 --> 01:52:56,930 alright well I mean if it's all right 2412 01:52:59,560 --> 01:52:58,610 with you I would love to and then I 2413 01:53:01,780 --> 01:52:59,570 would like to do some further 2414 01:53:03,820 --> 01:53:01,790 comparisons with the handwriting samples 2415 01:53:06,070 --> 01:53:03,830 that both of us have because you know 2416 01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:06,080 you found problems you found the same 2417 01:53:10,360 --> 01:53:07,970 problems as I found because you've used 2418 01:53:14,260 --> 01:53:10,370 it a couple of pieces because of the 2419 01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:14,270 during the the double odd during you 2420 01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:16,970 know and I all will just knit together 2421 01:53:21,820 --> 01:53:20,330 well I mean you know the thing was like 2422 01:53:24,160 --> 01:53:21,830 yeah I discovered 2423 01:53:26,110 --> 01:53:24,170 you know a number of things like that or 2424 01:53:29,350 --> 01:53:26,120 you know or use them but I also 2425 01:53:31,570 --> 01:53:29,360 discovered like like the jacket like I 2426 01:53:36,070 --> 01:53:31,580 told you he used the word guaranteed 2427 01:53:38,590 --> 01:53:36,080 split into three pieces which again you 2428 01:53:41,470 --> 01:53:38,600 aren't gonna find any Stevie Ray Vaughn 2429 01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:41,480 signature where he ever did that or any 2430 01:53:46,450 --> 01:53:43,370 example of his handwriting where he ever 2431 01:53:49,780 --> 01:53:46,460 did that but in the handwritten letter 2432 01:53:54,430 --> 01:53:49,790 that Larry wrote to me he did it 2433 01:53:58,170 --> 01:53:54,440 mm-hmm he used to you you have to have 2434 01:54:02,170 --> 01:53:58,180 the correct attitude that's like what's 2435 01:54:03,460 --> 01:54:02,180 interesting that you know Stevie Ray 2436 01:54:05,410 --> 01:54:03,470 Vaughn you can't find anything where he 2437 01:54:09,490 --> 01:54:05,420 does it but there it is Larry did it in 2438 01:54:12,060 --> 01:54:09,500 his own handwriting and Larry did the 2439 01:54:15,400 --> 01:54:12,070 during in his men they did the daring in 2440 01:54:16,750 --> 01:54:15,410 Salinas at the dairy with lemon we need 2441 01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:16,760 to keep going on and on with those 2442 01:54:21,400 --> 01:54:18,650 documents that I gave you but I had it I 2443 01:54:23,080 --> 01:54:21,410 hit a point where I was like you know I 2444 01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:23,090 was kind of like well you're wrong you 2445 01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:24,770 know everybody you can keep looking at 2446 01:54:28,150 --> 01:54:26,330 these documents and fight because you 2447 01:54:30,820 --> 01:54:28,160 know I picked off a number of letters 2448 01:54:33,850 --> 01:54:30,830 that were you could say look at the way 2449 01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:33,860 these s's is the S is for example and 2450 01:54:39,820 --> 01:54:37,970 the backwards e you know the e that's a 2451 01:54:42,430 --> 01:54:39,830 backwards three like there you know that 2452 01:54:43,900 --> 01:54:42,440 Stevie Ray Vaughn use you know and then 2453 01:54:47,500 --> 01:54:43,910 all of a sudden it's like well look 2454 01:54:50,710 --> 01:54:47,510 here's layer using the same swoopy exact 2455 01:54:53,710 --> 01:54:50,720 same swoop ES and the backwards three 2456 01:54:57,220 --> 01:54:53,720 the same journey and learn Rene Martinez 2457 01:54:59,440 --> 01:54:57,230 doing the same thing you know and look 2458 01:55:02,080 --> 01:54:59,450 Phoebe Snow yeah here's nobody else in 2459 01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:02,090 Stevie's band doing an S the same way 2460 01:55:09,130 --> 01:55:06,530 doing this are the same way so it hit a 2461 01:55:11,050 --> 01:55:09,140 point where I was like you know after 2462 01:55:12,580 --> 01:55:11,060 five or six different letters that I 2463 01:55:15,480 --> 01:55:12,590 pointed out that you could find that 2464 01:55:18,640 --> 01:55:15,490 were the exact same across numerous 2465 01:55:24,190 --> 01:55:18,650 documents that were definitely you could 2466 01:55:25,900 --> 01:55:24,200 source directly to Larry Warren you know 2467 01:55:28,090 --> 01:55:25,910 I had to hit a point where I was like 2468 01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:28,100 okay everybody you're on your own you 2469 01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:31,850 can you know I mean I've heard in 2470 01:55:35,500 --> 01:55:34,010 noticing that like little other things 2471 01:55:37,959 --> 01:55:35,510 that he did quirks like 2472 01:55:41,279 --> 01:55:37,969 um you know people can follow up on this 2473 01:55:45,370 --> 01:55:41,289 on their own is that documents where 2474 01:55:47,589 --> 01:55:45,380 sometimes he seems to forget which form 2475 01:55:50,229 --> 01:55:47,599 of the letter he's using and all of a 2476 01:55:53,109 --> 01:55:50,239 sudden it's like whoops you know there 2477 01:55:55,899 --> 01:55:53,119 there's you know that J looks different 2478 01:55:59,140 --> 01:55:55,909 than this one in the same ladder you 2479 01:56:00,250 --> 01:55:59,150 know and or hey she keeps slipping and 2480 01:56:02,379 --> 01:56:00,260 here he's printing and all of a sudden 2481 01:56:05,649 --> 01:56:02,389 he forgot what he was doing and wrote 2482 01:56:08,080 --> 01:56:05,659 one word and cursive you know and it's a 2483 01:56:10,740 --> 01:56:08,090 which is a trait of Hayes as well yeah 2484 01:56:12,939 --> 01:56:10,750 so you can start looking at an 2485 01:56:14,740 --> 01:56:12,949 capitalizes in the capital a is in the 2486 01:56:16,180 --> 01:56:14,750 room right so you can see there's not 2487 01:56:18,729 --> 01:56:16,190 alone get started looking at these 2488 01:56:21,759 --> 01:56:18,739 different documents and going oh yeah 2489 01:56:23,950 --> 01:56:21,769 look Charlie Lennon does the same thing 2490 01:56:27,850 --> 01:56:23,960 oh look Rene Martinez does the same 2491 01:56:30,520 --> 01:56:27,860 thing the same thing with the he is the 2492 01:56:33,459 --> 01:56:30,530 world's worst speller you know the guy 2493 01:56:35,979 --> 01:56:33,469 can't spell you know which is why you 2494 01:56:38,049 --> 01:56:35,989 know and I hope this works him to know 2495 01:56:39,850 --> 01:56:38,059 in but this is why I questioned whether 2496 01:56:41,950 --> 01:56:39,860 he actually got a high school diploma or 2497 01:56:45,490 --> 01:56:41,960 not because he really is a terrible 2498 01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:45,500 speller yeah it's in his book that he 2499 01:56:48,939 --> 01:56:47,360 didn't do well at school and no 2500 01:56:50,950 --> 01:56:48,949 universities were going to be knocking 2501 01:56:52,689 --> 01:56:50,960 on his door so how did he get the group 2502 01:56:54,399 --> 01:56:52,699 how did he get degrees communications 2503 01:56:56,680 --> 01:56:54,409 and how did he get you know whatever the 2504 01:57:00,609 --> 01:56:56,690 degree that he was claiming he got in 2505 01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:00,619 you know Connecticut I mean you know I 2506 01:57:10,509 --> 01:57:05,530 mean come on Laura doesn't hold water no 2507 01:57:13,359 --> 01:57:10,519 no no no it's it's that there's that 2508 01:57:15,490 --> 01:57:13,369 many holes in the bag the big a bag has 2509 01:57:19,990 --> 01:57:15,500 become a chip there's no bottom it's 2510 01:57:22,959 --> 01:57:20,000 just so perforated well I mean just that 2511 01:57:26,379 --> 01:57:22,969 point that you just brought service okay 2512 01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:26,389 and not being good in school that's kind 2513 01:57:30,660 --> 01:57:28,130 of a common tale and I'm sure it's the 2514 01:57:34,709 --> 01:57:30,670 same thing in England that often times 2515 01:57:38,910 --> 01:57:34,719 when people don't do well in school 2516 01:57:42,600 --> 01:57:38,920 aren't good students don't like school 2517 01:57:46,089 --> 01:57:42,610 when they become a you know legal age 2518 01:57:48,910 --> 01:57:46,099 they list because there's no other 2519 01:57:52,180 --> 01:57:48,920 there's like it's an option too 2520 01:57:53,650 --> 01:57:52,190 be able to make money you know it's like 2521 01:57:56,169 --> 01:57:53,660 well I don't want to go to college but I 2522 01:57:58,750 --> 01:57:56,179 want to I want to make money all enlist 2523 01:58:00,669 --> 01:57:58,760 in the service I'm not you know I don't 2524 01:58:04,120 --> 01:58:00,679 like going to school but Amanda trade is 2525 01:58:07,270 --> 01:58:04,130 very so when you look at layer you look 2526 01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:07,280 at his spelling you look at his you know 2527 01:58:12,040 --> 01:58:10,010 the fact that you can't find anything 2528 01:58:13,810 --> 01:58:12,050 you can't find yearbooks with it I mean 2529 01:58:17,320 --> 01:58:13,820 you can't find anything to prove that 2530 01:58:21,630 --> 01:58:17,330 the guy actually graduated from anywhere 2531 01:58:25,270 --> 01:58:23,680 well there is a little thing when I 2532 01:58:27,640 --> 01:58:25,280 checked one of those instachat things 2533 01:58:31,470 --> 01:58:27,650 online there's a Larry a war room from 2534 01:58:36,669 --> 01:58:31,480 Vermont and Queensbury with ten plus 2535 01:58:42,459 --> 01:58:36,679 criminal records which we've been 2536 01:58:47,290 --> 01:58:42,469 debating paying for information you know 2537 01:58:50,050 --> 01:58:47,300 and so you know T that the scenario 2538 01:58:51,459 --> 01:58:50,060 seems to fit more likely that that's 2539 01:58:53,500 --> 01:58:51,469 what happened that's what service and 2540 01:58:56,919 --> 01:58:53,510 the fact that they booted him out of the 2541 01:59:00,430 --> 01:58:56,929 service I'm telling you they don't do 2542 01:59:02,470 --> 01:59:00,440 that unless they absolutely have to it 2543 01:59:05,500 --> 01:59:02,480 would have a t they would have kept him 2544 01:59:07,510 --> 01:59:05,510 in the service for as long as they could 2545 01:59:13,120 --> 01:59:07,520 you know they're always looking for 2546 01:59:14,740 --> 01:59:13,130 people to it so again going back to the 2547 01:59:17,350 --> 01:59:14,750 documents you know you look at the 2548 01:59:20,500 --> 01:59:17,360 misspellings and it's like you know 2549 01:59:23,229 --> 01:59:20,510 across documents you can see oh my god 2550 01:59:24,640 --> 01:59:23,239 all none of these people can spell yeah 2551 01:59:26,650 --> 01:59:24,650 when I think there's misspellings on 2552 01:59:29,110 --> 01:59:26,660 every pretty much every die some of them 2553 01:59:31,479 --> 01:59:29,120 can't even spell their own exactly I 2554 01:59:33,850 --> 01:59:31,489 mean how many times have you misspelled 2555 01:59:35,770 --> 01:59:33,860 your name I don't think I ever heard 2556 01:59:37,090 --> 01:59:35,780 exactly but you certainly do it and 2557 01:59:39,490 --> 01:59:37,100 didn't do it in multiple times I mean 2558 01:59:42,090 --> 01:59:39,500 even if you were writing hastily you 2559 01:59:44,380 --> 01:59:42,100 know you know what I mean but it's like 2560 01:59:46,780 --> 01:59:44,390 you know and that's going back to the 2561 01:59:49,510 --> 01:59:46,790 jacket one of the things that again is I 2562 01:59:53,740 --> 01:59:49,520 am providing actual physical verifiable 2563 01:59:56,439 --> 01:59:53,750 evidence from an actual you know company 2564 02:00:00,580 --> 01:59:56,449 that does signature authentication and 2565 02:00:02,709 --> 02:00:00,590 they put in writing this is a forgery 2566 02:00:06,340 --> 02:00:02,719 and one of the things is 2567 02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:06,350 Vaughn is spelled wrong the letters 2568 02:00:12,370 --> 02:00:09,010 aren't shaped correctly they're leaning 2569 02:00:13,810 --> 02:00:12,380 incorrectly the you know what I mean and 2570 02:00:16,360 --> 02:00:13,820 actually if you look at the leather 2571 02:00:18,400 --> 02:00:16,370 jacket it would be the one and only time 2572 02:00:19,540 --> 02:00:18,410 at Stevie Ray didn't use a backwards 2573 02:00:22,420 --> 02:00:19,550 three for an E 2574 02:00:27,070 --> 02:00:22,430 it's Stevie with a small case he never 2575 02:00:29,500 --> 02:00:27,080 happened you know so it you know it's 2576 02:00:34,050 --> 02:00:29,510 just people you got to start using some 2577 02:00:36,840 --> 02:00:34,060 logic and you know if he's lying about 2578 02:00:43,090 --> 02:00:36,850 you know 2579 02:00:44,830 --> 02:00:43,100 he's lying about his involvement in the 2580 02:00:47,260 --> 02:00:44,840 service his involvement in Rendlesham 2581 02:00:50,680 --> 02:00:47,270 for his involvement is the whistleblower 2582 02:00:54,010 --> 02:00:50,690 I mean the fact that his story continues 2583 02:00:57,520 --> 02:00:54,020 to change after thirty eight eight years 2584 02:00:59,590 --> 02:00:57,530 I mean when does logic come into play 2585 02:01:01,689 --> 02:00:59,600 and people go wow why would why would 2586 02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:01,699 remember things now that he didn't 2587 02:01:05,650 --> 02:01:03,290 remember thirty-eight years ago 2588 02:01:08,380 --> 02:01:05,660 why is he now got photographs and you 2589 02:01:10,390 --> 02:01:08,390 didn't have thirty-eight years ago you 2590 02:01:12,189 --> 02:01:10,400 know why is he now coming up with some 2591 02:01:13,840 --> 02:01:12,199 letter from his that he wrote to his 2592 02:01:17,170 --> 02:01:13,850 mother that he didn't come up with 38 2593 02:01:19,630 --> 02:01:17,180 years ago I mean he's kind of like 2594 02:01:23,820 --> 02:01:19,640 gently waved that around but since his 2595 02:01:26,320 --> 02:01:23,830 mom became Paulie and since died he's 2596 02:01:28,900 --> 02:01:26,330 trumpeting it you know it's just like 2597 02:01:30,939 --> 02:01:28,910 wow well why didn't you go mad about it 2598 02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:30,949 like you are doing now before why is it 2599 02:01:35,110 --> 02:01:32,570 so important now that your mom can't 2600 02:01:38,530 --> 02:01:35,120 actually say no right that's not what 2601 02:01:42,910 --> 02:01:38,540 was in the letter right exactly you know 2602 02:01:44,740 --> 02:01:42,920 so yeah I mean I've come forward it's 2603 02:01:47,110 --> 02:01:44,750 just it's deafening is it you can come 2604 02:01:49,689 --> 02:01:47,120 you can go up like in circles well that 2605 02:01:52,750 --> 02:01:49,699 yeah constantly I mean here's the thing 2606 02:01:54,070 --> 02:01:52,760 you know I'm sticking my neck out you 2607 02:01:56,320 --> 02:01:54,080 know and I'm sure there'll be you know 2608 02:01:59,020 --> 02:01:56,330 there's probably gonna be some grease 2609 02:02:04,840 --> 02:01:59,030 orders that are gonna you know trash me 2610 02:02:07,660 --> 02:02:04,850 and and whatever go for it yeah you know 2611 02:02:12,850 --> 02:02:07,670 I'm very confident in my and my skills 2612 02:02:15,970 --> 02:02:12,860 and in my career and I actually knew 2613 02:02:16,610 --> 02:02:15,980 Larry I can prove it and I'm providing 2614 02:02:20,210 --> 02:02:16,620 actual 2615 02:02:23,930 --> 02:02:20,220 physical verifiable evidence you know 2616 02:02:25,790 --> 02:02:23,940 I'm good also mission authentication I 2617 02:02:27,560 --> 02:02:25,800 could probably list you fifty people you 2618 02:02:31,840 --> 02:02:27,570 could you know interview from Rutland a 2619 02:02:37,220 --> 02:02:31,850 lot and they'd all have Larry stories 2620 02:02:39,440 --> 02:02:37,230 you know so you know again I'm sticking 2621 02:02:42,080 --> 02:02:39,450 my neck out and I invite people who are 2622 02:02:45,110 --> 02:02:42,090 listening to do your own homework 2623 02:02:48,770 --> 02:02:45,120 do some research try to find anything 2624 02:02:53,140 --> 02:02:48,780 that proves proves physical evidence any 2625 02:02:57,320 --> 02:02:53,150 of his stories are true good luck 2626 02:02:59,600 --> 02:02:57,330 exactly and also you know Gary Heseltine 2627 02:03:01,670 --> 02:02:59,610 says listen to me cuz I'm just a crazy 2628 02:03:04,160 --> 02:03:01,680 person this is my end that's actually 2629 02:03:07,790 --> 02:03:04,170 just an opinion of Gary Heseltine's 2630 02:03:10,130 --> 02:03:07,800 and he's like absolutely ignoring all of 2631 02:03:12,050 --> 02:03:10,140 this evidence because he can just put it 2632 02:03:14,540 --> 02:03:12,060 into one little bubble if Sasha's a 2633 02:03:17,180 --> 02:03:14,550 crazy lady he was infatuated with Warren 2634 02:03:19,580 --> 02:03:17,190 she's obsessed she loves him and she's 2635 02:03:21,230 --> 02:03:19,590 mental and she moved him into her house 2636 02:03:22,940 --> 02:03:21,240 to have an affair with him under her 2637 02:03:25,910 --> 02:03:22,950 nose under the nose of her partner 2638 02:03:29,510 --> 02:03:25,920 that's how horrible she is that's how 2639 02:03:31,820 --> 02:03:29,520 greedy in in all of us well it's not me 2640 02:03:33,980 --> 02:03:31,830 when you told me about him and I saw 2641 02:03:38,870 --> 02:03:33,990 stuff online with him my question would 2642 02:03:41,450 --> 02:03:38,880 be again why is he not so hot yeah what 2643 02:03:43,910 --> 02:03:41,460 I mean why would he leave that area what 2644 02:03:46,220 --> 02:03:43,920 is it about his past that gives him an E 2645 02:03:47,930 --> 02:03:46,230 and a credibility whatsoever and the 2646 02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:47,940 fact that he is a cop and not willing to 2647 02:03:53,750 --> 02:03:50,970 look at any evidence provided because it 2648 02:03:57,110 --> 02:03:53,760 isn't in his best interest because he 2649 02:04:00,410 --> 02:03:57,120 can make money with Larry's story if it 2650 02:04:02,690 --> 02:04:00,420 isn't debunked whereas if he has to look 2651 02:04:06,260 --> 02:04:02,700 at and say okay you're right the guy's 2652 02:04:08,510 --> 02:04:06,270 lying his cash cow goes away you know 2653 02:04:11,630 --> 02:04:08,520 and and again I and I would be 2654 02:04:14,810 --> 02:04:11,640 questioning why is the guy not a cop any 2655 02:04:17,960 --> 02:04:14,820 longer why do you leave no do you have 2656 02:04:20,630 --> 02:04:17,970 to retire I think he had issues in his 2657 02:04:24,940 --> 02:04:20,640 job his ex-partner has told us quite a 2658 02:04:26,870 --> 02:04:24,950 lot about how about him she's even 2659 02:04:28,820 --> 02:04:26,880 mentioned that she might even write a 2660 02:04:29,700 --> 02:04:28,830 book about him because people need to 2661 02:04:33,240 --> 02:04:29,710 know 2662 02:04:36,720 --> 02:04:33,250 DBC really is and he's not the person 2663 02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:36,730 that he portrays himself to being so and 2664 02:04:40,290 --> 02:04:37,930 then he's just so she's just a crazy 2665 02:04:42,390 --> 02:04:40,300 like she's just my ex blah blah blah now 2666 02:04:44,490 --> 02:04:42,400 but you know you got what he came to do 2667 02:04:46,440 --> 02:04:44,500 disbelief everybody on top of a pile of 2668 02:04:47,250 --> 02:04:46,450 evidence like this you know it's about 2669 02:04:48,870 --> 02:04:47,260 time 2670 02:04:51,090 --> 02:04:48,880 Gary pulled his head out of his backside 2671 02:04:52,500 --> 02:04:51,100 and stop accusing me of really looking 2672 02:04:54,360 --> 02:04:52,510 at what he's being said because 2673 02:04:56,250 --> 02:04:54,370 everybody else is and everyone's looking 2674 02:04:57,810 --> 02:04:56,260 at him like he's a massive loser and 2675 02:04:59,370 --> 02:04:57,820 he's just pretending that he's not he's 2676 02:05:01,890 --> 02:04:59,380 got no respect in the UFO community 2677 02:05:03,780 --> 02:05:01,900 anywhere and he shouts at people for not 2678 02:05:05,520 --> 02:05:03,790 respecting them and that's gonna help is 2679 02:05:07,770 --> 02:05:05,530 there you know if that's how much of a 2680 02:05:10,560 --> 02:05:07,780 bully is he'll stand there shouting at 2681 02:05:13,200 --> 02:05:10,570 people in front of a whole conference of 2682 02:05:15,690 --> 02:05:13,210 other people because that's how arrogant 2683 02:05:18,570 --> 02:05:15,700 he is and now entitled he thinks that he 2684 02:05:23,010 --> 02:05:18,580 is that it can start dominating other 2685 02:05:26,130 --> 02:05:23,020 men for not attacking me or joining 2686 02:05:29,820 --> 02:05:26,140 forces with him against me because he 2687 02:05:33,630 --> 02:05:29,830 sent out these letters of these kind of 2688 02:05:36,180 --> 02:05:33,640 posts of me swearing yeah what only a 2689 02:05:38,850 --> 02:05:36,190 sexist caveman like you would do that oh 2690 02:05:42,150 --> 02:05:38,860 I mean oh look at the woman swearing oh 2691 02:05:44,160 --> 02:05:42,160 look at the crazy lady over there well I 2692 02:05:45,660 --> 02:05:44,170 mean I when you look at the post that 2693 02:05:48,270 --> 02:05:45,670 Larry's put up where he's used like 2694 02:05:50,220 --> 02:05:48,280 anti-semitic language who would be 2695 02:05:53,060 --> 02:05:50,230 supporting a guy that said like such 2696 02:05:56,220 --> 02:05:53,070 hateful horrible things online 2697 02:05:59,130 --> 02:05:56,230 disgusting things you know racist 2698 02:06:00,420 --> 02:05:59,140 anti-semitic things I mean it's just you 2699 02:06:03,030 --> 02:06:00,430 know and then there you're gonna defend 2700 02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:03,040 that guy I mean give me a break yeah I 2701 02:06:08,430 --> 02:06:06,010 mean that's you know somebody that I'm 2702 02:06:10,260 --> 02:06:08,440 the only person that's even heard any of 2703 02:06:13,500 --> 02:06:10,270 that but I'm not on this about ten of us 2704 02:06:14,760 --> 02:06:13,510 I'm sorry what there's about ten people 2705 02:06:17,820 --> 02:06:14,770 that have heard him he used that 2706 02:06:19,620 --> 02:06:17,830 language about Peter and he says that 2707 02:06:20,580 --> 02:06:19,630 it's just me saying it but it's not I'm 2708 02:06:23,190 --> 02:06:20,590 not the only person 2709 02:06:25,200 --> 02:06:23,200 well we posted it you know I mean didn't 2710 02:06:28,140 --> 02:06:25,210 he yeah put up an actual post on 2711 02:06:30,510 --> 02:06:28,150 Facebook where he you know I mean that 2712 02:06:32,130 --> 02:06:30,520 doesn't go away that's you know that's 2713 02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:32,140 for the whole world to see and you know 2714 02:06:37,610 --> 02:06:34,810 I mean that should have read alone right 2715 02:06:41,100 --> 02:06:37,620 there just disqualify him for everybody 2716 02:06:42,470 --> 02:06:41,110 yeah you know yeah because some guy in 2717 02:06:44,570 --> 02:06:42,480 MUFON he 2718 02:06:46,340 --> 02:06:44,580 a little run a boost sounded like a 2719 02:06:47,810 --> 02:06:46,350 white supremacist and he's a write-off 2720 02:06:50,600 --> 02:06:47,820 how exactly 2721 02:06:53,030 --> 02:06:50,610 and he actually no he actually was the 2722 02:06:55,820 --> 02:06:53,040 mover and shaker with him move on so you 2723 02:06:57,140 --> 02:06:55,830 know it damages people but apparently it 2724 02:06:58,400 --> 02:06:57,150 does not importance okay well you know 2725 02:07:00,800 --> 02:06:58,410 and I think I've mentioned this to you 2726 02:07:02,840 --> 02:07:00,810 before is that you know as far as 2727 02:07:10,210 --> 02:07:02,850 Larry's connection to the UFO community 2728 02:07:12,770 --> 02:07:10,220 and you know did you know there's you 2729 02:07:15,170 --> 02:07:12,780 got it I would think that they're going 2730 02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:15,180 to people are going to want to get on 2731 02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:17,930 the correct side of things because if 2732 02:07:24,260 --> 02:07:21,930 for example you get behind Larry Warren 2733 02:07:26,720 --> 02:07:24,270 and go yep I firmly believe is this 2734 02:07:31,270 --> 02:07:26,730 story is the true story of what happened 2735 02:07:34,880 --> 02:07:31,280 and somewhere down the line it is 2736 02:07:36,470 --> 02:07:34,890 absolutely verifiably no question about 2737 02:07:39,140 --> 02:07:36,480 it that this guy has made the whole 2738 02:07:40,970 --> 02:07:39,150 thing up that doesn't make the UFO 2739 02:07:44,180 --> 02:07:40,980 community look good or give them 2740 02:07:49,310 --> 02:07:44,190 credibility to go you let this guy fool 2741 02:07:50,750 --> 02:07:49,320 you for 40 years okay people are going 2742 02:07:53,960 --> 02:07:50,760 to just wash their hands of the whole 2743 02:07:55,729 --> 02:07:53,970 thing you know I mean it's yeah which is 2744 02:07:57,290 --> 02:07:55,739 why you know I looked at it with look 2745 02:07:59,390 --> 02:07:57,300 when Nick Pope came out with his 2746 02:08:01,280 --> 02:07:59,400 statement I'm like yeah he doesn't want 2747 02:08:04,330 --> 02:08:01,290 to be the guy that you know with egg on 2748 02:08:06,500 --> 02:08:04,340 his face going oh man this guy fooled me 2749 02:08:09,020 --> 02:08:06,510 you know it's much better to come out 2750 02:08:11,330 --> 02:08:09,030 and say hey I was fooled for a while but 2751 02:08:13,370 --> 02:08:11,340 I figured it out and I'm coming out and 2752 02:08:15,400 --> 02:08:13,380 saying it like I figured out that it's 2753 02:08:18,229 --> 02:08:15,410 it's phony I mean the same thing with me 2754 02:08:19,910 --> 02:08:18,239 same thing with you I wanted to believe 2755 02:08:21,710 --> 02:08:19,920 the guy at first I gave him the benefit 2756 02:08:24,710 --> 02:08:21,720 of the doubt you know when he played up 2757 02:08:26,240 --> 02:08:24,720 to you know my weaknesses that I'm gonna 2758 02:08:28,790 --> 02:08:26,250 make you famous and I'm gonna do this 2759 02:08:30,740 --> 02:08:28,800 and again not me just saying the words 2760 02:08:36,800 --> 02:08:30,750 himself in the handwritten letter that 2761 02:08:39,260 --> 02:08:36,810 he gave you you know so yeah I wanted to 2762 02:08:42,050 --> 02:08:39,270 believe but then I started to see too 2763 02:08:44,450 --> 02:08:42,060 many cracks in the facade and I started 2764 02:08:46,220 --> 02:08:44,460 figuring out like ah that's true and if 2765 02:08:47,600 --> 02:08:46,230 this story isn't true why would this one 2766 02:08:50,420 --> 02:08:47,610 be true and you know what I mean you 2767 02:08:52,820 --> 02:08:50,430 just you don't want to be the one still 2768 02:08:54,800 --> 02:08:52,830 standing the last man standing going 2769 02:08:55,880 --> 02:08:54,810 there he's telling the truth when the 2770 02:08:59,150 --> 02:08:55,890 whole world goes 2771 02:09:01,010 --> 02:08:59,160 no he's not he thought I mean yeah you 2772 02:09:05,990 --> 02:09:01,020 know you got to get on the right side of 2773 02:09:07,550 --> 02:09:06,000 things people so absolutely we've 2774 02:09:08,870 --> 02:09:07,560 actually come to the end of the show now 2775 02:09:09,350 --> 02:09:08,880 we might have even gone over a little 2776 02:09:15,710 --> 02:09:09,360 bit 2777 02:09:18,110 --> 02:09:15,720 who cares it's important no no no that 2778 02:09:20,330 --> 02:09:18,120 won't be up then no not at all I'm the 2779 02:09:23,840 --> 02:09:20,340 last broadcast so we can go over a 2780 02:09:27,350 --> 02:09:23,850 little that's okay it's but oh my gosh 2781 02:09:29,510 --> 02:09:27,360 Duane it's taking a little while for us 2782 02:09:31,520 --> 02:09:29,520 to get here don't be saying oh something 2783 02:09:35,180 --> 02:09:31,530 bigs come in and now it's a yeah 2784 02:09:39,890 --> 02:09:35,190 so I'm a man of my word I told you I 2785 02:09:43,630 --> 02:09:39,900 would provide you with letting no and be 2786 02:09:45,890 --> 02:09:43,640 get out there publicly and here it is 2787 02:09:47,720 --> 02:09:45,900 thank you so much for that because 2788 02:09:49,880 --> 02:09:47,730 people need to know and stop believing 2789 02:09:52,610 --> 02:09:49,890 Gary Heseltine that this is just the 2790 02:09:54,350 --> 02:09:52,620 products of a cruel essence mind you 2791 02:09:54,920 --> 02:09:54,360 know I'm not the only person that sauced 2792 02:09:57,320 --> 02:09:54,930 him out 2793 02:09:59,660 --> 02:09:57,330 even the authors of clear intent system 2794 02:10:01,250 --> 02:09:59,670 out and dumped him the Arthur if you 2795 02:10:03,500 --> 02:10:01,260 can't tell the people system out and 2796 02:10:05,030 --> 02:10:03,510 dumped him nobody stays with him even 2797 02:10:07,100 --> 02:10:05,040 his own co-author sauced him out and 2798 02:10:09,590 --> 02:10:07,110 dumped him now all right it was because 2799 02:10:12,590 --> 02:10:09,600 of the stuff that I brought out but you 2800 02:10:14,450 --> 02:10:12,600 can't you can't deny it right now so I 2801 02:10:17,450 --> 02:10:14,460 no longer claim to know what happened at 2802 02:10:20,420 --> 02:10:17,460 Rendlesham forest because I believed him 2803 02:10:21,950 --> 02:10:20,430 and his narrative is all parts of 2804 02:10:24,890 --> 02:10:21,960 different that's different people 2805 02:10:27,020 --> 02:10:24,900 different things so it's it's a mess in 2806 02:10:28,940 --> 02:10:27,030 my head and I need to go back to the 2807 02:10:31,820 --> 02:10:28,950 drawing board if I want to actually know 2808 02:10:34,580 --> 02:10:31,830 about the rest of the people who we just 2809 02:10:37,070 --> 02:10:34,590 kind of like puts you off so you know 2810 02:10:38,900 --> 02:10:37,080 it's a new journey for me now but thank 2811 02:10:40,100 --> 02:10:38,910 you so much for coming on the show and 2812 02:10:42,440 --> 02:10:40,110 thank you so much for putting your neck 2813 02:10:44,480 --> 02:10:42,450 on the line because you know it's not as 2814 02:10:46,310 --> 02:10:44,490 bad as it was if you did joined in a 2815 02:10:48,050 --> 02:10:46,320 couple of years ago you would have had a 2816 02:10:50,270 --> 02:10:48,060 barrage of it but now the behave 2817 02:10:52,640 --> 02:10:50,280 themselves because the films coming out 2818 02:10:54,500 --> 02:10:52,650 in a few months so they want this all to 2819 02:10:57,530 --> 02:10:54,510 go away the only alter quiet and down 2820 02:10:59,390 --> 02:10:57,540 and they've had shows deleted and things 2821 02:11:00,920 --> 02:10:59,400 like that that they don't speak very 2822 02:11:04,070 --> 02:11:00,930 highly of me but there's actually 2823 02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:04,080 committing hate crimes actually so you 2824 02:11:08,290 --> 02:11:05,770 know and 2825 02:11:10,270 --> 02:11:08,300 thank you thank you very much for your 2826 02:11:12,670 --> 02:11:10,280 input and thank you so much for coming 2827 02:11:14,860 --> 02:11:12,680 on the show and telling everybody that 2828 02:11:16,330 --> 02:11:14,870 you know he's a shyster as well I 2829 02:11:19,450 --> 02:11:16,340 appreciate all the work and effort that 2830 02:11:22,030 --> 02:11:19,460 you've put in and you know all the petty 2831 02:11:24,430 --> 02:11:22,040 crap that you've had to endure along the 2832 02:11:25,930 --> 02:11:24,440 way but I mean you know as soon as my 2833 02:11:27,640 --> 02:11:25,940 friend sent me the link and said hey I 2834 02:11:28,600 --> 02:11:27,650 just listened to this podcast you gotta 2835 02:11:30,970 --> 02:11:28,610 check this out 2836 02:11:34,240 --> 02:11:30,980 I hadn't thought about Larry Warren in 2837 02:11:34,870 --> 02:11:34,250 many many years I was out of sight out 2838 02:11:38,500 --> 02:11:34,880 of mind 2839 02:11:40,720 --> 02:11:38,510 yeah and when I just refire me up that I 2840 02:11:43,630 --> 02:11:40,730 was like finally there's somebody that's 2841 02:11:46,090 --> 02:11:43,640 gonna that sees the truth and I need to 2842 02:11:47,710 --> 02:11:46,100 let her know that there's somebody else 2843 02:11:49,840 --> 02:11:47,720 out there because I knew what it was 2844 02:11:51,640 --> 02:11:49,850 like to be the one person in town going 2845 02:11:54,690 --> 02:11:51,650 Larry's full of crap and you know and 2846 02:11:56,770 --> 02:11:54,700 everybody else wanted to believe him I 2847 02:11:59,260 --> 02:11:56,780 thought my I will never forget that 2848 02:12:02,470 --> 02:11:59,270 moment when I open that message from you 2849 02:12:10,630 --> 02:12:02,480 I just read it and I still don't really 2850 02:12:12,460 --> 02:12:10,640 slowly away oh my god I wouldn't even 2851 02:12:16,330 --> 02:12:12,470 get the words out I just saw that 2852 02:12:18,220 --> 02:12:16,340 everybody read it everything coming out 2853 02:12:22,330 --> 02:12:18,230 at once you know like how you typewriter 2854 02:12:24,280 --> 02:12:22,340 keys are getting jammed in right it was 2855 02:12:28,180 --> 02:12:24,290 one of the best moments out of this 2856 02:12:30,430 --> 02:12:28,190 entire awful awful drama that's gone on 2857 02:12:33,460 --> 02:12:30,440 that has been so intense at times that I 2858 02:12:35,260 --> 02:12:33,470 thought I was gonna die from it but you 2859 02:12:37,840 --> 02:12:35,270 know got through it and we're at the 2860 02:12:39,610 --> 02:12:37,850 other side of it now and you know the 2861 02:12:41,410 --> 02:12:39,620 evidences just keeps coming out so 2862 02:12:43,350 --> 02:12:41,420 Joanne I'm going to have to be right 2863 02:12:46,150 --> 02:12:43,360 there so much for coming up and 2864 02:12:48,370 --> 02:12:46,160 definitely be keeping in touch thank you